Spanish aristocracy was full of moroccans

[Gallop]

The nobility tends to desire new contributions that refresh their blood and the nobility that did the opposite we know how they ended up.

I think this must come from ancient times and would have been desired perhaps by peoples, warriors, fighters, kings e.t.c. The BIM 33 sample I think was that one, it was non-local women about some exchange of covenants between tribes.

North African nobles why not, the blue blood is sought after among her.


Montezuma. Today August 16, 1509 Isabel de Moctezuma is born, daughter of the Aztec emperor Moctezuma and lover of the conquistador Hernan Cortés. The daughter of Moctezuma and Hernan Cortés had a daughter named Leonor Cortés Moctezuma.

The daughter of Hernán Cortés
Shortly after Isabel Moctezuma's marriage to Gallego Andrade, she gave birth to a daughter of Hernán Cortés. Isabel rejected this child who was named Leonor Cortés Moctezuma. Under the indirect protection of Cortés, the descendant married Juan de Tolosa. From the marriage there were two daughters, the first named Isabel who married Juan de Oñate and the second named Isabel who married Cristóbal de Zaldivar.

http://www.efemeridespedrobeltran.co...rtes-moctezuma



The Countess of Miravelle descends from the daughters of Monteczuma and there are other Spanish nobles as well.

[Rethel]

I simply didn't expect it

Why not, if there was Berber presence in Spain through 800 years, and spanish presence in northern Africa through 700 years...

[Hamilcar]

Why not, if there was Berber presence in Spain through 800 years, and spanish presence in northern Africa through 700 years...

Because during this period both were ennemies, had different cultures and religions. The kingdom of Castille also expelled 275K muslims from their lands between 1609 and 1614 (that's without counting the jews too).

The extremely dark descriptions that characterize the Moors in medieval writings end up seeming unreal precisely because of their exaggeration.

Serafin Fanjul, Al-Andalus, L'invention d'un mythe, p. 149

Despite the closeness that Christians maintained with them, the image of Saracens oscillates between, on the one hand, the most raw and concrete realism, based on precise facts, and on the other, exaggerations. negative or fanciful idealizations

Serafin Fanjul, Al-Andalus, L'invention d'un mythe, p. 169

[Rethel]

Because during this period both were ennemies, had different cultures and religions. The kingdom of Castille also expelled 275K muslims from their lands between 1609 and 1614 (that's without counting the jews too).

And what? There is always someone who change the sides, and especially who change the religion. Nothing new.

[Gallop]

Why not, if there was Berber presence in Spain through 800 years, and spanish presence in northern Africa through 700 years...

800 years is practically how long The Reconquest lasted.

Are you implying 800 years of free will? The social and religious context in Al Andalus was quite the opposite.

[Rethel]

Are you implying 800 years of free will? The social and religious context in Al Andalus was quite the opposite.

You really think I said, that Kalif of Cordoba and taifas' sheikhs were baptizing own mahometan subjects... or allowed them for it...?

[Gallop]

You really think I said, that Kalif of Cordoba and taifas' sheikhs were baptizing own mahometan subjects... or allowed them for it...?

Don't tell me stories, I am Spanish and we deeply reject the era of Al Andalus.

A paragraph in history, we neither remember nor consider it ours, logical if the facts speak for themselves, 800 years of war, victory, expulsions and our unity.

A respect to the victors.

You see, Ladies and Gentlemen of the United States of America, the country of freedom, you can see the propaganda that other colleagues from the rest of Europe make about Spain and the Spaniards and the image they intend to project about us, nothing could be further from reality, so I trust that you will know how to discern and listen to the interested party in contrast to the propaganda misguided by socio-economic-political interests among the European countries themselves.

And I'll leave it at that, pure propaganda

[Gaditanian]

Marinids meet King Philip II of Spain. Circa XVI Century

[Gallop]

Fascinating stuff. It makes sense given the history between the two.

In your mind, not in the minds of Spaniards.

[Cristiano viejo]

From where do you get they were aristocrats, if they were soldiers and priests??

Full of Moroccans = 3 cases