Are Trans and East Mediterranids the same?

[PaleoEuropean]

Yep, Orientalid, Berberid , Saharid, it’s usually just this


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I think the similarity comes from the Cro-magnoid input in both, which makes a lot of people look similar but not the same.

[jfgh676]

Trans mediterranid is coastal northern moroccan,algerian,tunisian and to a certain extent egypt. east med is Levantine majority pheno although i have seen lybian and egyptian east meds too

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

I think Transmed is just more gracile and alpine influenced and East Med is a bit more Dinaric and chiseled face wise.

Nah that would make Transmediterranids look more like African Alpinoids. TransMed is strictly intermediate of Gracile and Atlanto-Med in terms of features (possibly but not necessarily admixture of the two types), being a bit softer, cranium not as dolichocephalic... Meanwhile EastMed would lean slightly more to Atlanto-Mediterranid and possibly even Pontic in some aspects, having slightly more robust features and dolichocephaly (from A.M) but otherwise both are extremely similar types, to the point that I would believe EastMed to be nothing more than a variety of TransMed.

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Trans mediterranid is coastal northern moroccan,algerian,tunisian and to a certain extent egypt. east med is Levantine majority pheno although i have seen lybian and egyptian east meds too

A good amount of people in those areas are arabid-admixed and therefore Libyid. Transmediterranid more or less covers the areas of EastMed although in partial form only, which could imply that the T.M type is only typical admixed with surrounding phenotypes from the area (Pontid, AM, Iranid, etc).
East Med range:

Trans Med range:


I have seen people argue that East Med isn't a real proper phenotype, but a collection of different phenotypes from the area. I think some have said it is the result AtlantoMed-Iranid intermediate but I disagree as the proper result of that would be Robust Iranid.

[jfgh676]

A good amount of people in those areas are arabid-admixed and therefore Libyid. Transmediterranid more or less covers the areas of EastMed although in partial form only, which could imply that the T.M type is only typical admixed with surrounding phenotypes from the area (Pontid, AM, Iranid, etc).
East Med range:

Trans Med range:


I have seen people argue that East Med isn't a real proper phenotype, but a collection of different phenotypes from the area. I think some have said it is the result AtlantoMed-Iranid intermediate but I disagree as the proper result of that would be Robust Iranid.

Nope. Lybid is a phenotype present mainly in the interior steppes of north africa,not the main pheno in the coastal north of morocco,algeria,and tunis. Arabid phenotypical is almost non-existent in western part of north africa,you will only see targid,berberid or saharid down south. Transmediterranid is not even that present in sicily or greece.

Possibly a gracilised Eurafricanid that spread west through ancient migrations that lasted up to Antiquity (e.g. Phoenicians). Today common in North Africa from Morocco to Egypt with high concentrations in Tunisia and Algeria. Also in Western Arabia and Southern Iberia, sometimes Sicily, Sardinia, Canary Islands, and other parts of Southern Europe. Light, sometimes medium (yellowish) brown skin, straight to curly brown/black hair, often curlier than in European Mediterranids. Medium height, mesoskelic, ectomorph. Dolicho- mesocephalic,

Were clearly not talking about italians or greeks here
as for east-med its a real phenotype. Lebanese people are not arabids,nor a mix of pontid and atlantomeds

[LorenzoSpitaleri]

Nope. Lybid is a phenotype present mainly in the interior steppes of north africa,not the main pheno in the coastal north of morocco,algeria,and tunis. Arabid phenotypical is almost non-existent in western part of north africa,you will only see targid,berberid or saharid down south. Transmediterranid is not even that present in sicily or greece.



Were clearly not talking about italians or greeks here
as for east-med its a real phenotype. Lebanese people are not arabids,nor a mix of pontid and atlantomeds

I will correct myself on the fact many berbers away from the eastern part do look less arab-mixed, I've met berbers who look more european than some italians easily, from the coasts mainly. Btw greeks and italians can have all of those features described. Even though the map describes its incidence in Southern Europe as low, that is due to admixture from other phenotypes probably. That being said the maps aren't always 100% accurate but more of an estimate, for example i've seen Sudanid and Siwa phenotypes on the maps having a low incidence on Iberia which is as ridiculous as it gets.

[jfgh676]

I will correct myself on the fact many berbers away from the eastern part do look less arab-mixed, I've met berbers who look more european than some italians easily, from the coasts mainly. Btw greeks and italians can have all of those features described. Even though the map describes its incidence in Southern Europe as low, that is due to admixture from other phenotypes probably. That being said the maps aren't always 100% accurate but more of an estimate, for example i've seen Sudanid and Siwa phenotypes on the maps having a low incidence on Iberia which is as ridiculous as it gets.

Tbh People exaggerate sicily,greece ... Dark phenotypes are not rampant and most of the time its going to be east-med influence on the phenotype and it also shows up in the genetics of the region

[jfgh676]

I will correct myself on the fact many berbers away from the eastern part do look less arab-mixed, I've met berbers who look more european than some italians easily, from the coasts mainly. Btw greeks and italians can have all of those features described. Even though the map describes its incidence in Southern Europe as low, that is due to admixture from other phenotypes probably. That being said the maps aren't always 100% accurate but more of an estimate, for example i've seen Sudanid and Siwa phenotypes on the maps having a low incidence on Iberia which is as ridiculous as it gets.

Tbh People exaggerate sicily,greece ... Dark phenotypes are not rampant and most of the time its going to be east-med influence on the phenotype and it also shows up in the genetics of the region. Also i wouldnt put much thought on their maps,even the composites are not even accurate really for south med types.

[Rafael Passoni]

My Brother has this classification brother is Trans Mediterranid.

[placebo]

Pontid is far more different imo.

he's east med. pure form not oriental or taurid inflluenced. levant east meds generally oriental influenced but turkey (somes have taurid influence) and greece east meds generally pure.




i don't know much about trans med but i googled it and i saw these photos. they don't look like much imo.