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Thread: There were no ancient western civilizations; just modern fakes made to demean China

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    President Xi and government officials in China also highly praised the ancient Greek culture when they visited Greece. This university professor said that he just wanted to make fire, win attention and make traffic. His statement has been criticized by many people.

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    I want to say that you are very impolite, but I won't make trouble with you, because we Chinese have an old saying, don't do to others what you don't want. I have explained this problem. This university professor can't represent the Chinese, and he just wants to be angry

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    We Chinese are a peace loving nation, our nation is a moderate nation, we Chinese will never bring disaster to the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by 山有扶苏 View Post
    We Chinese are a peace loving nation, our nation is a moderate nation, we Chinese will never bring disaster to the world
    I'm hopeful Chinese leadership sees situation more rationally than you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 山有扶苏 View Post
    I want to say that you are very impolite, but I won't make trouble with you, because we Chinese have an old saying, don't do to others what you don't want. I have explained this problem. This university professor can't represent the Chinese, and he just wants to be angry
    Well. Western animals are blind to arguments. They will cherry pick anything which puts China in a bad light. And they will ignore billions of good things about China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post


    Sounds like a variation of Fomenko chronology. Except in that theory, Chinese history is even more manufactured. Indo-European tribes had lived in the area of Western China for centuries when the first Chinese dynasties arose.

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    Tocharians had lived in the Tarim basin which is nowadays part of China. One theory even states that the Chinese had received the knowledge of advanced metallurgy from these 'savages' at their borders. Chinese do NOT like the implications of these archeological finds. Even the DNA studies from China are always twisted in favour of Han nationalism.

    Chinese revisionism isn't even an new concept as you think, a lot of revisionism went on under the Communists. China was enslaved by Mongol, Manchu, Xianbei, Khitan, Jurchen Empires for over 1000 years.

    Even Chinese dynasties differed vastly in the structure of their administration (not to mention most dynasties were ruled by non-Han peoples), even between primitive dynasties like Han and Zhou. Also, it's debatable whether Zhou was a single dynasty, sort of like how the Japanese claim to be one dynasty even though power has passed laterally within the house so far that the "blood" of the house has changed completely several times.

    China was at its strongest in the Tang dynasty because of the Silk Road and envoys with Japan, China in the Republic period was bolstered by American support and westernising the military.

    Everyone raped China after 1800s. The CCP would have fucking lost without Soviet support.

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    Chinese have Stockholm syndrome about Yuan Dynasty and think that it was somehow a Chinese dynasty when Mongols were in complete control of China and only delegated things to Chinese they didn't feel like doing, however much of the invasion fleet against Japan that Kublai Khan ordered had Chinks in them to pad the army out but obviously the best warriors and biggest chunk of the fighting force was Mongols and would have met the Japanese in battle since Chinks can't fight field battles for shit.

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    None of the Yuan Emperors had Han wives or concubines. They are unique in Chinese history for being the sole dynasty with no Han concubines or wives in the palace. Yuan Emperors only married Mongol, Turkic and Korean women. Now they are trying to erase Genghis Khan from Chinese history.

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    The Yuan dynasty fell and was replaced by the native Ming; the Ming dynasty fell and in doing so opened the way to the last Manchurian Qing dynasty.

    I wonder how history buffs feel about history being destroyed by all of today's puritanical ideologies rewriting it to suit their own values. Whether it's the psycho leftist commies in the west, or the psycho commies in China, or the psycho commies in Russia, now that everything is online and can be rewritten without anyone noticing, there is no more unchanging archive that historians can trust to reference events of the past.

    They are already starting to claim certain Asian languages as Chinese dialects (to make obvious territorial claims). Some are even claiming English is a Chinese dialect. In the future the history of Western inventions and discoveries will be erased and retaught 100%.

    If narratives aren't challenged, literally anyone can claim anything. In hundreds of years China will claim their knock off European monuments were the originals and the ones in Europe are forgeries.

    We laugh at African-Americans, a group overwhelmingly West African, when they claim that they are the same as the Afro-Asiatic Egyptians and Nubians, but in 50 years, children will be taught that the late 2010s were a time of absolute oppression, where blacks were being gunned down en masse in the streets, and that this is why they must endure the current liberal world order.

    Just like nobody today can have nation states or high trust communities because that led to Jews getting genocided, nobody in the future will be allowed freedom because that lead to six million negroes getting murdered every day by police. Nobody will be able to prove that it is incorrect once all the current books have been burned, and everyone will just accept it like they accept the WW2 narrative today.

    China is one nation in which successive waves of barbarians/invaders genocided and mixed with the native population until all that was left were mongrelised rape babies who ruled them for centuries (what we call "assimilated" lel). Qing Dynasty was created with just 300000 Manchus when there were well over 100 million Chinese at the time. Basically Chinese are literal cucks and think that Han Chinese were the same equivalent to the Mongols when in reality Han Chinese have been taken over by barbaric Manchus.

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    The only reason Chinese assimilated people was because of their written language. Ethnically, the Han people have been powerless since the fall of the Tang dynasty. Ever since then it was all either conquest dynasties (Qing, Yuan, Jin) or shit dynasties (Ming).

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    If mongrels were unable to claim the heritage of their ancestors in any direction then conquest would only work with complete genocide (Dzungar genocide). There's a reason Alexander married Greek men to Persian women, and promoted vice versa. They became the Bactrians and future Persians, heavily hellenized and all with a claim to the regional legacy of not only the conquered but also the conquered.

    Some of the Chinese at least admit that the Greco-Bactrian and Indo-Greek kingdoms influenced their art, particularly sculpture (including the terracotta army) due to an obvious leap forward in realism around that time.
    I want to tell you that your behavior is very impolite and without any factual basis, full of prejudice. You don't know China at all, but I don't want to quarrel with you. I want to teach you an old Chinese saying: don't impose on others what you don't want to accept

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post
    I'm hopeful Chinese leadership sees situation more rationally than you.
    You don't have to worry about this. I have great confidence in my country and our government

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
    The problem is that the person who says that is a university professor.

    On the other hand, and without reaching the extreme that the Parthenon or the Pyramids are a modern creation to diminish China, it is true that Western countries are very focused on ourselves, and we have left "far Eastern" history aside, that it has had highly developed civilizations since ancient times.
    In fact, the professor's point of view is still copied from the Soviet point of view

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    Quote Originally Posted by 山有扶苏 View Post
    You don't have to worry about this. I have great confidence in my country and our government
    Yes, you are Chinese. I am Indian

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