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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    I think you tested on the old chip so didn't get the communities. It would be interesting to see if you got any with that high British & Irish.

    This was mine but it is on the V5 chip. The V4 didn't get any update which is annoying. They missed out any Munster so I don't know how they did this. Ancestry is more accurate with the GCs.

    My guess is Southwest Scotland. My second guess is an identity crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic View Post
    My guess is Southwest Scotland. My second guess is an identity crisis.
    You can upgrade your kit if you wanted. It costs $69 here at the moment. I was thinking about getting it for my daughter but I'll wait until the new year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    The English have actually been very supremacist historically, as far as I know. I can think of three reasons why that never developed into an ideology akin to Nazism. One, they obviously never dealt with the kind of crisis and demoralization that Germany underwent just prior to and during Hitler's rise. Two, until recently there haven't been any significant minorities in England to stir up the kind of racism that had been building in Germany for 1,000 years. Three, it is my opinion that the English are far more individualist than the Germans and therefore less prone to mass movements and authoritarian control.
    Pretty summed up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    You can upgrade your kit if you wanted. It costs $69 here at the moment. I was thinking about getting it for my daughter but I'll wait until the new year.
    Thanks for the information. I dig your new avatar, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    Pretty summed up
    He left out the main obvious reason someone like Hitler and something like National Socialism was never going to take hold in Britain. The British Empire was the largest empire in the world, with all the 'living space' you could possibly desire. Britain had no grievance as a nation, the economy was stable, and after WWI there was a sense of imperial burden, with resources being stretched too thin around the world (which proved to be correct). WWI and WW2 were essentially struggles between the imperial haves and the have-nots, the Second and Third Reich weren't much different in their grand imperial ambitions.

    Orwell wrote during the war on why the kind of totalitarianism of the Axis powers wouldn't have taken hold in England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    He left out the main obvious reason someone Britain had no grievance as a nation.
    "One, they obviously never dealt with the kind of crisis and demoralization that Germany underwent just prior to and during Hitler's rise."

    He didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kessaras View Post
    "One, they obviously never dealt with the kind of crisis and demoralization that Germany underwent just prior to and during Hitler's rise."

    He didn't.
    But crisis and demoralisation could just as well have ended up in Communism, as it did in Russia. The specific militaristic nationalism of the Nazi's would have had no appeal in early 20th century Britain, because it already controlled a quarter of the world, and was by then suffering imperial fatigue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeno View Post
    By far the most elaborate kraut bashing ever. /pol/ or /int/ material.
    Incoherent gibberish containing lots of hypocrisy and self-righteousness but little historical accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    You might be right, but Hitler had also different world view on races other then jews or gypsies in the sense that he considered them noble, or fully human not subhuman or sometimes even honorary aryans (japanese, amerindians etc.)
    I also consider Amerindians honorary Aryans .Some of their chief statements were full of wisdom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    You are mentally retarded.
    Obvious case of projection is obvious ...

    Germans were far more imperialistic than the British.
    Good one.

    The German imperialist mentality over continental Europe manifested itself as the Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War,
    Here you already revealed your complete ignorance of European history.
    The reason the Teutonic Order was in Prussia in the first place is because the Polish Duke Conrad of Masowia INVITED them to support him in his fight against the pagan Prussians.
    The "Great War" (1409-1411) happened because Poland-Lithuania didn't accept Teutonic sovereignty over Samogitia, which both parties previously agreed upon.
    So P-L was doing exactly what people nowadays accuse Russia or Nazi Germany of doing: Breaking agreements and not respecting borders.

    German nationalism under Bismarck,
    Yeah, those evil imperialist German Bastards.
    How dare they uniting (most of) their people in one state after centuries of disunity and foreign humiliation (ever heard of the campaigns of Louis XIV?).

    WW1,
    Putting the blame for that solely on Germany is utter nonsense.
    A fact now increasingly recognized even by politically correct mainstream historians (who traditionally have a very strong anti-German bias; in PC/woke ideology Germans are in Europe what whites in general are in the world).
    So I don't think that needs any further comment.

    genocidal WW2 Nazism
    Since this was about German vs Anglo Imperialism, it should be said that a lot of what are considered the worst aspects of NS were inspired from the Anglosphere:
    Concentration Camps -> Boer Wars
    Nuremberg Laws -> Segregation in the US
    Plans for Eastern Europe -> Manifest Destiny/British India

    and now through aggressive liberalism enforced through the EU.
    The aggressive liberalism has its origins on the Eastern Coast of the US.
    All important "German" politicians are members of transatlantic organizations.

    Germany along with France has always been the disaster for Europe,
    Projections of the eternal Anglo ...

    right back from destroying the Roman Empire,
    The late Roman Empire was the ancient equivalent of the modern globohomo Anglo-Empire.
    It deserved to be destroyed just like the latter one does.

    to cucking to Charlemagne,
    ???
    Also Charlemagne native language was a dialect of Old German.

    to be enslaved by Habsburg Popery for centuries (only to be redeemed by Martin Luther's Protestantism), betraying their Nordic neighbours over Russia, bending over backwards for Bismarck, to exporting Communism to Russia, to starting WW1 and therefore WW2 which was merely a continuation of WW1, to the EU of today which is just a way to force poor Eastern European trash to buy expensive German products instead of making their own, thus pushing them to mass immigrate into Western Europe.
    Lots of nonsense in that one.

    Otto von Bismarck played the French like a damned fiddle and caused the Franco-Prussian war creating Germany. But when it came to establishing the government system, Queen Victoria wife of Frederick III, advocated for a more liberal British system whereas conservative Bismarck advocated for a more authoritarian system. Bismarck won due to anti-British sentiment amongst the German nobles of the day. If the British system had been implemented British-German ties would have been stronger, the monarch wouldn't have fallen, Nazism never risen and rampant diversity bullshit wouldn't dominate today's political culture.
    That is the smooth-brainers version of recent European history.

    Germany, after its unification and before WW1 was very weak and very backwards. It often refused to follow the European trend of colonisation or economic and scientific development.
    An other good one.

    The ethnic conflict between Slavs and Germans in Austria-Hungary made that impossible.
    Made what impossible?

    Had Bismarck made the push to occupy Vienna/the German Habsburg lands into the German Empire, the Reich would have truly lasted a thousand years, and the beauty of Germanic Europe preserved forever.
    Except other powers would have intervened then.

    While Britain was having issues with German industry, Britain shifted their foreign policy around Germany but in a seemingly amicable way after a few continental congress' and conferences (notably the 1878 Congress of Berlin). Bismarck's policy of Germany as "The Continent for Germany, The Sea for Britain" was one that Britain seemed to get behind rather quickly as they shifted focus toward Africa and away from Europe in the 1880's and 1890's.

    Kaiser Wilhelm II disrupted it by taking a few notes from Alfred von Tirpitz and thus shifting his focus from Continental Europe and to the Sea and his "Place in the Sun". Wilhelm II really ruined everything diplomatically, even if he had decent domestic policies. His aggressive stances on foreign policy meant that Germany was shackled to a corpse in WW1 (Austria-Hungary).

    There was actually a time when Bismarck was still pulling the strings when the German Empire could have been allied to Great Britain. Then Wilhelm dismissed Bismarck and sent Germany on the path to destruction by demanding the creation of a massive navy, completely putting it at odds with Britain.

    If it hadn't been for Wilhelm's endless meddling with his cabinets and forcing foreign policy to satiate his own ego and ideals, it is likely that the First World War would have been fought by completely different nations, possibly even avoided altogether.
    This is the propaganda Version of Wilhelm II.
    The real Wilhelm II was nothing like this and was actually very interested in an alliance with Britain.

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