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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty View Post
    That is true. I haven't read up much on that.
    i think his view on blacks was also that they are monkeys and should not mix with germans, but not that he wants to kill them, because he didnt considered them parasites like the jews or gypsies, so this was a different world view too. and that was specific to blacks, not to all non-whites.
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    Because history is written by the victor. The one who wins decides what people remember about the loser.

    But the tides have turned in recent times. Germany has overtaken the UK in almost everything, the UK has no colonies anymore, they recently left the EU and they are plagued by bad internal affairs, crime, low quality immigration and talks of independence/secessions.

    Its funny, Germans tried two times to beat the UK with war and failed, and now they are beating it without a single bullet fired.

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    To get rid of the chains of Versailles. British had no such problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swarthy_Syndicate View Post
    Excluding the 15 years or so of Hitler’s rule, no country’s past is more atrocious or evil-ridden than that of the British. Colonizing continents, enslaving millions, and looting anything they could get their hands on. Germans have done very little of any of this. Even during World War II, their ambitions were clear and there was no trickery with them. Their goal was genocide and they did not hide it.

    I find it strange how Germans developed this notion of racial superiority, rather than the British? Is English not the lingua franca of the WORLD at this point? To this day German is still only spoken mostly by its own ethnic blood. English is spoken almost everywhere with decent publicity. Germans seem much less imperialist than the Anglos, yet it somehow crossed their mind to become Nazis, but that same spark never happened with the English... they were so much more powerful than the Germans... and yet, they went against Hitler in the end when it came to determining Germanic superiority.

    This probably sounds extremely weird... but would Nazi Britain have made more sense?
    I didn't study the German-Nazi ideology in detail but maybe they used the superiority theory to justify the need to wage war on other Europeans, conquer new territories, lebensraum (the need to have more space) etc.

    I don't think Brits were much interested in gaining lands in within Europe, they focused on their overseas empire.

    Nazism was also a reaction to the WW1 and the following treaties, Germany lost 10% of its land after ww1. Millions of ethnic Germans were living in Eastern Europe.

    Not many people know, but when Austria-Hungary fell apart after WW1, Austria wanted to join Germany but the French/Brits didn't allow that. They made that impossible to happen through treaties. Austria also wanted to name itself "German Austria" but that wasn't allowed either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swarthy_Syndicate View Post
    Excluding the 15 years or so of Hitler’s rule, no country’s past is more atrocious or evil-ridden than that of the British. Colonizing continents, enslaving millions, and looting anything they could get their hands on.
    The crimes committed by the British Empire have been vastly overblown compared to similar behaviour by other European powers. The Ottomans and other Islamic Caliphates have tried to invade, mass rape and conquer Europe for hundreds of years, and were infamous for raiding European countries for white European slaves. African nations and Islamic ones were infamous for mass slavery and genocide, such as the Mfecane period which were mass genocides of South African black clans by other black clans. According to recent genetic studies of ancient Africans continent-wide it was determined that the Bantu expansion literally deleted every other native African race, through mass migration and extermination.

    The Qing dynasty of Imperial China genocided 900000 Dzungars in the 1800's, the majority of the world’s slaves were actually found in Africa and the Middle East. Ethiopia prior to invasion by fascist Italy had an apartheid system with Amharas as the ruling elite with 3+ million slaves. Mussolini abolished slavery in Ethiopia but it came back after WW2, only to cease again after heavy US pressure. The British Empire is literally the reason slavery is banned worldwide, because they went down the Red Sea and shoved guns into Arab slavers’ mouths.

    Most of the planet welcomed Brits with open arms. It's a myth that everyone fights or resents against the dominant power especially one so benevolent as the British Empire.

    Despite everything you may have heard and fifty years of propagandising by 'post-colonial' historians (i.e. coping non-whites and their wog allies) colonialism was never profitable. EVER. Colonialism was expensive as fuck and the vast majority of colonies were a net drain on the metropolis' finances. Britain made more money off of China without more than a few hundred square kilometres of territory than it did from the whole of Africa and the Caribbean put together. The British tax payer funded colonial militaries and each colony had its own budget which meant that it never sent a single bean in profit back to Britain.

    The Empire left its colonies in a better state than other European powers. Five of the richest 10 countries in Africa and six of the world’s 10 richest countries were once either British colonies or British protectorates.

    On the other hand, the Middle East has done jack shit for the world. The west has brought the world to it's current technological boom, which the rest of the world takes for granted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swarthy_Syndicate View Post
    Germans have done very little of any of this. Even during World War II, their ambitions were clear and there was no trickery with them. Their goal was genocide and they did not hide it. To this day German is still only spoken mostly by its own ethnic blood. Germans seem much less imperialist than the Anglos, yet it somehow crossed their mind to become Nazis, but that same spark never happened with the English... they were so much more powerful than the Germans... and yet, they went against Hitler in the end when it came to determining Germanic superiority. This probably sounds extremely weird... but would Nazi Britain have made more sense?
    You are mentally retarded. Germans were far more imperialistic than the British.

    The German imperialist mentality over continental Europe manifested itself as the Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War, German nationalism under Bismarck, WW1, genocidal WW2 Nazism and now through aggressive liberalism enforced through the EU.

    Germany along with France has always been the disaster for Europe, right back from destroying the Roman Empire, to cucking to Charlemagne, to be enslaved by Habsburg Popery for centuries (only to be redeemed by Martin Luther's Protestantism), betraying their Nordic neighbours over Russia, bending over backwards for Bismarck, to exporting Communism to Russia, to starting WW1 and therefore WW2 which was merely a continuation of WW1, to the EU of today which is just a way to force poor Eastern European trash to buy expensive German products instead of making their own, thus pushing them to mass immigrate into Western Europe.

    Otto von Bismarck played the French like a damned fiddle and caused the Franco-Prussian war creating Germany. But when it came to establishing the government system, Queen Victoria wife of Frederick III, advocated for a more liberal British system whereas conservative Bismarck advocated for a more authoritarian system. Bismarck won due to anti-British sentiment amongst the German nobles of the day. If the British system had been implemented British-German ties would have been stronger, the monarch wouldn't have fallen, Nazism never risen and rampant diversity bullshit wouldn't dominate today's political culture.

    Germany, after its unification and before WW1 was very weak and very backwards. It often refused to follow the European trend of colonisation or economic and scientific development. The ethnic conflict between Slavs and Germans in Austria-Hungary made that impossible.

    Had Bismarck made the push to occupy Vienna/the German Habsburg lands into the German Empire, the Reich would have truly lasted a thousand years, and the beauty of Germanic Europe preserved forever.

    While Britain was having issues with German industry, Britain shifted their foreign policy around Germany but in a seemingly amicable way after a few continental congress' and conferences (notably the 1878 Congress of Berlin). Bismarck's policy of Germany as "The Continent for Germany, The Sea for Britain" was one that Britain seemed to get behind rather quickly as they shifted focus toward Africa and away from Europe in the 1880's and 1890's.

    Kaiser Wilhelm II disrupted it by taking a few notes from Alfred von Tirpitz and thus shifting his focus from Continental Europe and to the Sea and his "Place in the Sun". Wilhelm II really ruined everything diplomatically, even if he had decent domestic policies. His aggressive stances on foreign policy meant that Germany was shackled to a corpse in WW1 (Austria-Hungary).

    There was actually a time when Bismarck was still pulling the strings when the German Empire could have been allied to Great Britain. Then Wilhelm dismissed Bismarck and sent Germany on the path to destruction by demanding the creation of a massive navy, completely putting it at odds with Britain.

    If it hadn't been for Wilhelm's endless meddling with his cabinets and forcing foreign policy to satiate his own ego and ideals, it is likely that the First World War would have been fought by completely different nations, possibly even avoided altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    Also Hitler was not really fully racist, he only wanted to kill Jews and Gypsies. The English didnt had a problem with the jews, because they have similar mentalities and their elites are mixed with jews, always were but now it is obvious like Trumps family, Bidens family, even the Rothshilds who are some kind of jewish-english mix and big bosses. Hitler didnt liked Jews, that was his problem with the Anglos.
    Sounds like you just made that up there to be honest. Richard 1st organised pogroms against Jews back in the 12 century.

    Anyway for the OP, all European nations expanded militarily, why single out Anglos when everyone else was doing the same?

    Belgians, French, Portugese, Spanish, Dutch all expanded militarily, they all created empires outside of Europe. German gets a pass on this because it wasn't unified until Bismarck, and was late in the action.

    Not defending any atrocities, but singling out the Brits, a tactic used all the time here in the last year of blm, as unique purveyors of it is wrong, they just more success in it due to having the best Navy.

    Germany was in a unique position as a European power, having to catch up (hence the land grab in South West Africa in early 1900s).

    It is to do with Germany at the end of ww1 and the Versailles Treaty, losing lots of territory, disbanding the armed forces, reperations, having to take sole blame for the war (insanity) despite having an unbroken army in the field. All this plus the economic crash was a perfect cauldron out of which Hitler came forth.

    No other European country had to suffer this, certainly not Britain, constitutionally stable since the civil war of the 1600s, and secure as an island with a strong Navy.

    The idea that Britain is uniquely responsible so the French, Belgians, Ottomans etc all get a pass in their own adventures is complete and utter b'llsht, a tactic used by the leftists in the UK who despise their own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itilvolga View Post
    To get rid of the chains of Versailles. British had no such problem.
    Yes I think it's mostly this. It has been demonstrated by Léon Degrelle in his book Hitler né ŕ Versailles.




    It's true that 1930s England and even USA behaved more as "White supremacist" nations than the 3rd Reich.

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    They are both nazis. They are white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    The crimes committed by the British Empire have been vastly overblown compared to similar behaviour by other European powers. The Ottomans and other Islamic Caliphates have tried to invade, mass rape and conquer Europe for hundreds of years, and were infamous for raiding European countries for white European slaves. African nations and Islamic ones were infamous for mass slavery and genocide, such as the Mfecane period which were mass genocides of South African black clans by other black clans. According to recent genetic studies of ancient Africans continent-wide it was determined that the Bantu expansion literally deleted every other native African race, through mass migration and extermination.

    The Qing dynasty of Imperial China genocided 900000 Dzungars in the 1800's, the majority of the world’s slaves were actually found in Africa and the Middle East. Ethiopia prior to invasion by fascist Italy had an apartheid system with Amharas as the ruling elite with 3+ million slaves. Mussolini abolished slavery in Ethiopia but it came back after WW2, only to cease again after heavy US pressure. The British Empire is literally the reason slavery is banned worldwide, because they went down the Red Sea and shoved guns into Arab slavers’ mouths.
    Yeah, pre-colonial Africa was a nightmare, to be sure. Tribal chiefs owned slaves, who were slaughtered upon the chief's death so he would have company in the afterlife. His wives would be killed as well, if I remember correctly. They routinely waged war against each other and sold each other into slavery. And they also murdered twin babies, who were believed to be evil in some way. And all this was going on at the same time that Europeans were passing abolition laws. The double standard is staggering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    The crimes committed by the British Empire have been vastly overblown compared to similar behaviour by other European powers. The Ottomans and other Islamic Caliphates have tried to invade, mass rape and conquer Europe for hundreds of years, and were infamous for raiding European countries for white European slaves. African nations and Islamic ones were infamous for mass slavery and genocide, such as the Mfecane period which were mass genocides of South African black clans by other black clans. According to recent genetic studies of ancient Africans continent-wide it was determined that the Bantu expansion literally deleted every other native African race, through mass migration and extermination.

    The Qing dynasty of Imperial China genocided 900000 Dzungars in the 1800's, the majority of the world’s slaves were actually found in Africa and the Middle East. Ethiopia prior to invasion by fascist Italy had an apartheid system with Amharas as the ruling elite with 3+ million slaves. Mussolini abolished slavery in Ethiopia but it came back after WW2, only to cease again after heavy US pressure. The British Empire is literally the reason slavery is banned worldwide, because they went down the Red Sea and shoved guns into Arab slavers’ mouths.

    Most of the planet welcomed Brits with open arms. It's a myth that everyone fights or resents against the dominant power especially one so benevolent as the British Empire.

    Despite everything you may have heard and fifty years of propagandising by 'post-colonial' historians (i.e. coping non-whites and their wog allies) colonialism was never profitable. EVER. Colonialism was expensive as fuck and the vast majority of colonies were a net drain on the metropolis' finances. Britain made more money off of China without more than a few hundred square kilometres of territory than it did from the whole of Africa and the Caribbean put together. The British tax payer funded colonial militaries and each colony had its own budget which meant that it never sent a single bean in profit back to Britain.

    The Empire left its colonies in a better state than other European powers. Five of the richest 10 countries in Africa and six of the world’s 10 richest countries were once either British colonies or British protectorates.

    On the other hand, the Middle East has done jack shit for the world. The west has brought the world to it's current technological boom, which the rest of the world takes for granted.

    No one wants you anywhere so you should just blow yourself up in some market in Germany and take some more towelheads with you.



    You are mentally retarded. Germans were far more imperialistic than the British.

    The German imperialist mentality over continental Europe manifested itself as the Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War, German nationalism under Bismarck, WW1, genocidal WW2 Nazism and now through aggressive liberalism enforced through the EU.

    Germany along with France has always been the disaster for Europe, right back from destroying the Roman Empire, to cucking to Charlemagne, to be enslaved by Habsburg Popery for centuries (only to be redeemed by Martin Luther's Protestantism), betraying their Nordic neighbours over Russia, bending over backwards for Bismarck, to exporting Communism to Russia, to starting WW1 and therefore WW2 which was merely a continuation of WW1, to the EU of today which is just a way to force poor Eastern European trash to buy expensive German products instead of making their own, thus pushing them to mass immigrate into Western Europe.

    Otto von Bismarck played the French like a damned fiddle and caused the Franco-Prussian war creating Germany. But when it came to establishing the government system, Queen Victoria wife of Frederick III, advocated for a more liberal British system whereas conservative Bismarck advocated for a more authoritarian system. Bismarck won due to anti-British sentiment amongst the German nobles of the day. If the British system had been implemented British-German ties would have been stronger, the monarch wouldn't have fallen, Nazism never risen and rampant diversity bullshit wouldn't dominate today's political culture.

    Germany, after its unification and before WW1 was very weak and very backwards. It often refused to follow the European trend of colonisation or economic and scientific development. The ethnic conflict between Slavs and Germans in Austria-Hungary made that impossible.

    Had Bismarck made the push to occupy Vienna/the German Habsburg lands into the German Empire, the Reich would have truly lasted a thousand years, and the beauty of Germanic Europe preserved forever.

    While Britain was having issues with German industry, Britain shifted their foreign policy around Germany but in a seemingly amicable way after a few continental congress' and conferences (notably the 1878 Congress of Berlin). Bismarck's policy of Germany as "The Continent for Germany, The Sea for Britain" was one that Britain seemed to get behind rather quickly as they shifted focus toward Africa and away from Europe in the 1880's and 1890's.

    Kaiser Wilhelm II disrupted it by taking a few notes from Alfred von Tirpitz and thus shifting his focus from Continental Europe and to the Sea and his "Place in the Sun". Wilhelm II really ruined everything diplomatically, even if he had decent domestic policies. His aggressive stances on foreign policy meant that Germany was shackled to a corpse in WW1 (Austria-Hungary).

    There was actually a time when Bismarck was still pulling the strings when the German Empire could have been allied to Great Britain. Then Wilhelm dismissed Bismarck and sent Germany on the path to destruction by demanding the creation of a massive navy, completely putting it at odds with Britain.

    If it hadn't been for Wilhelm's endless meddling with his cabinets and forcing foreign policy to satiate his own ego and ideals, it is likely that the First World War would have been fought by completely different nations, possibly even avoided altogether.
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