Why did the Germans become the Nazis in WWII instead of the British?

[Davystayn]

Dp

[Davystayn]

Because history is written by the victor. The one who wins decides what people remember about the loser.

But the tides have turned in recent times. Germany has overtaken the UK in almost everything, the UK has no colonies anymore, they recently left the EU and they are plagued by bad internal affairs, crime, low quality immigration and talks of independence/secessions.

Its funny, Germans tried two times to beat the UK with war and failed, and now they are beating it without a single bullet fired.

Germany has never declared war on Britain. Britain declared war in Germany in both ww1 and ww2 as a result of upholding defence agreements with Belgium then Poland.

After ww2 Germany was allowed to recover and rebuild thanks to American defence assurances and funding. Punishing Germany after ww1 led directly to ww2 so after ww2 the opposite was done - Germany was deNazified and allowed to build into the success that it is today.

Britain's policy towards Europe was never allowing a single hostile power to have control of the continent. Usually this was France, also Spain, Russia, Germany was only recently.

Your second paragraph is wide of the mark

[Dandelion]

The Germans just went a tad bit too far and lost the war to boot.

[LittleDarkAge]

And one day, for no reason at all, Germans elected one of the most heroic leaders that Europe has ever seen...

[JamesBond007]

Excluding the 15 years or so of Hitler’s rule, no country’s past is more atrocious or evil-ridden than that of the British. Colonizing continents, enslaving millions, and looting anything they could get their hands on. Germans have done very little of any of this. Even during World War II, their ambitions were clear and there was no trickery with them. Their goal was genocide and they did not hide it.

I find it strange how Germans developed this notion of racial superiority, rather than the British? Is English not the lingua franca of the WORLD at this point? To this day German is still only spoken mostly by its own ethnic blood. English is spoken almost everywhere with decent publicity. Germans seem much less imperialist than the Anglos, yet it somehow crossed their mind to become Nazis, but that same spark never happened with the English... they were so much more powerful than the Germans... and yet, they went against Hitler in the end when it came to determining Germanic superiority.

This probably sounds extremely weird... but would Nazi Britain have made more sense?

1.)British people are first and foremost an island race and English people are superior to Germany in the development of individualism and have an innate dislike for German militarism. That does not mean the British are not warlike and good at war but I think if currently the British empire was still running the world instead of the American you would see less war. Part of being British means looking like you are losing until the last minute then pulling off an epic victory and then downplaying it. Nazism is about collectivism and not individualism.

2.)Britain did develop ideas of racial superiority that were quite prominent during the Victorian era but they were not based on simply 'muh blonde hair and blue eyes' autism per se. It was more focused towards colonials such as pontificating on the 'inferiority of the celt' etc...


3.) British people will never become Nazis. Nazism was a specifically German thing that was tied to a specific time and place that will probably never be repeated and it goes against the British 'system' of government :

Only Anglo-Saxon countries can do democracy. The natural state of human society is despotism. If you tally up all the human lives that have ever been lived on this planet under organized systems of government, no more than five per cent were lived under consensual systems. Even to get up to five per cent, you have to include places like ancient Athens and Tudor England, which wouldn’t pass muster as “democratic” by modern standards. In the last couple of centuries, practically all consensual systems have been Anglo-Saxon. Other cultures can fake it for a few decades, as France, Germany, and Japan are currently doing, but their hearts aren’t really in it and they will swoon gratefully into the arms of a fascist dictator when one comes along --John Derbyshire

There is probably much more to say but I'll keep it terse here otherwise it will be tldr

[TheMaestro]

Because Adolf wasn't born in the Isles, he would turn into chav drug addict in that case, no NSDAP would become.

[Corporate_Demolisher]

Nazism is about collectivism and not individualism.

I find this rather strange considering communists were among the greatest enemies of the Nazis. Nazism was based on imperialist control for monetary reasons. It just seems like a more direct form of conquering lands whereas the British Empire was more sleek and did it "under the guise of discovering lands". So they really aren't that different, it's just the Germans will say to your face "we hate you and want to kill you", whereas the Brits do everything low-key. Anglos are sneakier and I find this helped them immensely during their colonial past.

[Smitty]

I find this rather strange considering communists were among the greatest enemies of the Nazis. Nazism was based on imperialist control for monetary reasons. It just seems like a more direct form of conquering lands whereas the British Empire was more sleek and did it "under the guise of discovering lands". So they really aren't that different, it's just the Germans will say to your face "we hate you and want to kill you", whereas the Brits do everything low-key. Anglos are sneakier and I find this helped them immensely during their colonial past.

It's true, though. The idea that Nazism is a right-wing ideology is only partly true. The Nazis' preference for autocracy and a socialist-style economy were very leftwing.

[Supercomputer]

Excluding the 15 years or so of Hitler’s rule, no country’s past is more atrocious or evil-ridden than that of the British. Colonizing continents, enslaving millions, and looting anything they could get their hands on. Germans have done very little of any of this. Even during World War II, their ambitions were clear and there was no trickery with them. Their goal was genocide and they did not hide it.

I find it strange how Germans developed this notion of racial superiority, rather than the British? Is English not the lingua franca of the WORLD at this point? To this day German is still only spoken mostly by its own ethnic blood. English is spoken almost everywhere with decent publicity. Germans seem much less imperialist than the Anglos, yet it somehow crossed their mind to become Nazis, but that same spark never happened with the English... they were so much more powerful than the Germans... and yet, they went against Hitler in the end when it came to determining Germanic superiority.

This probably sounds extremely weird... but would Nazi Britain have made more sense?

The British empire did more good than harm to the world. There are even academic papers on this. Germans were jealous of the British empire so that's why they became Nazis. Also the anti Slavism and fear of Communism. (Germany was much closer to Slavs and Communists than Britain). Also the WW1 grievances of course. British individualism is probably another reason as Nazism requires a certain amount of collectivism in the nation's soul.

[Corporate_Demolisher]

Anglo-Saxons are highly individualistic and would never be ruled by an authoritarian collectivist regime. Germans are more similar to Easterners in that they are highly communal-oriented especially in their fascism.

At the end of the day, both are motivated by money and that makes them more similar than different.