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    Default What was the first patriarchal society before Yamnayans?

    According to linguistics, we can say Proto-IE was the first patriarchal society. Do we have an idea about how EHG or CHG people were like? How PIE got their patriarchy? Was it from EHG or CHG side?

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    This is patriarchy

    "a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is reckoned through the male line."

    "a society or community organized on patriarchal lines."

    First patriarchic societies were farmers. Because with the Neolithic revolution people started to own properties, lands to farm, houses etc. and the concept of inheritance emerged and inheritance passed from father to son, therefore concept of lineage emerged and became really important. And because of this agricultural revolution, you still have your father's last name.

    There was no patriarchal order, there was no "lineage" in hunter-gatherer societies because there was no need for it. Ofcourse man was more dominant in society compared to female but that's not patriarchy is all about. They diddn't own houses, lands to farm etc. They were groups with small numbers, most of the group were female. Babies born, but most of the time people didn't know who was the father because it wasn't that important for the society. Most of them were "bastards". But with the neolithic revolution word bastard became an insult because of the importance of the patrilineal lineage. You need to know who is your father to inherite all the properties and you need to have a son to pass down your lineage and your properties, if you dont have a son your whole lineage ends. This is patriarchy.

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    As far as I know PIE people didn't have farmer admixture. Perhaps, they got idea of ruling father figure from farmers on their south. But, if EEF has been so patriarchal, why did leave so little paternal DNA in modern Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wunjoz View Post
    As far as I know PIE people didn't have farmer admixture. Perhaps, they got idea of ruling father figure from farmers on their south. But, if EEF has been so patriarchal, why did leave so little paternal DNA in modern Europe?
    Yamnaya were patriarchal too and very warrior-like people. Patriarchical systems may have appeared in different populations at different times but farmers were the fathers of the patriarchy. Yamnaya had like about %5-10 farmer ancestry too but that's irrelevant because their paternal line probably were EHG. Farmers didn't pass down their Y-DNA that much because most of the farmer men slaughtered by Indo-Europeans during the Indo-European invasion.

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