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    The Cyrillic alphabet has no established authorship. Most scholars reject the thesis that Kliment Ohridski is its author. It is more probable that he perfected the Glagolitic alphabet, the alphabet of the holy brothers he revered. The Cyrillic alphabet is associated with the writers of Preslav, because it is a continuation of a centuries-old tradition of writing government documents in Greek letters. But "without a device", as Chernorizets Hrabar says. The "arrangement", ie the adaptation to the Bulgarian language, became possible only after the appearance of the Glagolitic script in Bulgaria. The only ones who have a state and who conduct state policy at that time are the Bulgarians. The Cyrillic alphabet, used today by millions of people around the world (Serbs, northern Macedonians, Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Romanians until the mid-nineteenth century, Tajiks, Mongols, etc.), originated in Bulgaria.
    It is known that the word "alphabet" comes from the names of the first two letters of the Glagolitic alphabet and the Cyrillic alphabet. Many languages ​​use the name "alphabet", derived from the beginning of the Greek writing system.
    And the Bulgarian literary language is the first national language in Europe, in which Christian worship can be performed, the administration can be served and documents and books can be written.
    None of the peoples of Europe had the right to worship in their own language, to write books in their own language, and to serve the administration. This religious dogma does not arise by chance. Language is not just a means of communication. It is also a powerful political weapon and means of influence. And in the Roman Empire of Eastern and Western, divided by the adoption of Christianity, each asserts its territory, identity, and political influence through language: the Western Roman-German (called Frankish) Empire through Latin, and the Eastern, called Byzantium through Hellenic, which we call ancient Greek. In those days Europe had only three crowns - the Western - Frankish Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire - Byzantium, and the Bulgarian
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    Bulgar dialects were Turkic at that time

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgar_language
    The Bulgarian may have been Turkic, but the fact remains that you can't change that.
    Bulgaria gives the writing to all Slavic peoples, some of whom today write in Latin and Bulgaria is the one that contributes to the development of literature in other Slavic peoples decades and centuries later.
    The Old Bulgarian literary language is the earliest written Slavic language. In addition, the language of the monuments originating from the Bulgarian lands after the 12th century is unanimously called "Middle Bulgarian" in world Slavic studies.
    The study of the Old Bulgarian language underlies the whole Slavic science, for which the work of the first teachers Constantine-Cyril the Philosopher and Methodius is of paramount importance.
    And the most important thing that indisputably gives an answer to the Slavic or Bulgarian question is the alphabet created by Cyril and Methodius and this is the first letter in the alphabet and its meaning. From the proto-Bulgarian "I" means memory, man, and Alem means first, initial, main - ALEM, BELEM, VECHEM the order of the months in the proto-Bulgarian calendar.
    None of the Slavic peoples says "AZ"/ "I", and all say "YA"/ "I" except the Bulgarians. Only Bulgarians say AZ sam / I am. Even you northern Macedonians say Ya sum/ I am.

    You will just have to accept the fact that you do not have medieval history, you do not have Renaissance history, because this is Bulgarian history. And you have a history after 1945, when the Serbs began to form your nation.
    A young nation with an even younger statehood, which still has nothing to step on and like a little dog barks in all directions in order to steal something foreign to put in his hut or someone to feel sorry for him and give him alms. But the hut is still too narrow and small to accommodate the history of ancient peoples.
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    The Cyrillic alphabet has no established authorship. Most scholars reject the thesis that Kliment Ohridski is its author.
    Cyrillic alphabet, writing system developed in the 9th–10th century CE for Slavic-speaking peoples of the Eastern Orthodox faith.

    The Cyrillic alphabet was an indirect result of the missionary work of the 9th-century “Apostles of the Slavs,” St. Cyril (or Constantine) and St. Methodius. Their mission to Moravia lasted only a few decades.

    Their disciples went to South Slavic regions of the first Bulgarian empire, including what are now Bulgaria and the Republic of North Macedonia, where in the 900s they constructed a new script for Slavic, based on capital Greek letters, with some additions; confusingly, this later script (drawing on the name of Cyril) became known as Cyrillic. Saints Naum and Clement, both of Ohrid and both among the disciples of Cyril and Methodius, are sometimes credited with having devised the Cyrillic alphabet.

    As the Slavic languages were richer in sounds than Greek, 43 letters were originally provided to represent them; the added letters were modifications or combinations of Greek letters or (in the case of the Cyrillic letters for ts, sh, and ch) were based on Hebrew.

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    [ЦИТА = Душан; 7148109] Кирилица, система за писане, разработена през 9-10 век сл. Н. Е. За славяноезичните народи от източноправославната вяра.

    Кирилицата е косвен резултат от мисионерската дейност на „Апостолите на славяните“ от 9-ти век, св. Кирил (или Константин) и св. Методий. Мисията им в Моравия продължи само няколко десетилетия.

    Техните ученици отидоха в южнославянските райони на първата българска империя, включително днешна България и Република Северна Македония, където през 900-те те изградиха нова писменост за славянски, базирана на главни гръцки букви , с някои допълнения; объркващо, тази по-късна писменост (описвайки името Кирил) стана известна като кирилица.Светите Наум и Климент, и двамата от Охрид и двамата от учениците на Кирил и Методий, понякога се считат за създали кирилицата.

    Тъй като славянските езици бяха по-богати на звуци от гръцките, първоначално бяха предоставени 43 букви, за да ги представят; добавените букви са модификации или комбинации от гръцки букви или (в случая с кириличните букви за ts, sh и ch) са базирани на иврит.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Cyrillic-alphabet [/ QUOTE]

    The change of the already adopted written system Glagolitic in Bulgaria into another simplified form of letters for the purposes of the state administration and for education in general cannot happen without it being ordered by the Bulgarian royal court. Yes, the alphabet that we call the Cyrillic alphabet today is actually a Bulgarian alphabet created in Bulgaria, by order of the Bulgarian ruler and for the purposes of the Bulgarian state. It may be a forging product of the work of Cyril and Methodius, but millions of people write on it today.
    Their students did not go to the South Slavic regions, but came to Bulgaria, here in the Bulgarian lands where they came from in the hope of escaping persecution and preserving the holy work. This alphabet has no documented creator, but one thing is for sure that it comes from the Bulgarian royal chancellery, so it is a Bulgarian alphabet, not a Slavic one.
    Last edited by PAGANE; 03-22-2021 at 01:10 PM.
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Behold the slavic unity hahaha

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    It is only a matter of historical facts. And the Slavs can be united, the question is what this unity should consist of. We Bulgarians have nothing against Slavic unity for all who feel Slavic.
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAGANE View Post
    [ЦИТА = Душан; 7148109] Кирилица, система за писане, разработена през 9-10 век сл. Н. Е. За славяноезичните народи от източноправославната вяра.

    Кирилицата е косвен резултат от мисионерската дейност на „Апостолите на славяните“ от 9-ти век, св. Кирил (или Константин) и св. Методий. Мисията им в Моравия продължи само няколко десетилетия.

    Техните ученици отидоха в южнославянските райони на първата българска империя, включително днешна България и Република Северна Македония, където през 900-те те изградиха нова писменост за славянски, базирана на главни гръцки букви , с някои допълнения; объркващо, тази по-късна писменост (описвайки името Кирил) стана известна като кирилица.Светите Наум и Климент, и двамата от Охрид и двамата от учениците на Кирил и Методий, понякога се считат за създали кирилицата.

    Тъй като славянските езици бяха по-богати на звуци от гръцките, първоначално бяха предоставени 43 букви, за да ги представят; добавените букви са модификации или комбинации от гръцки букви или (в случая с кириличните букви за ts, sh и ch) са базирани на иврит.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Cyrillic-alphabet [/ QUOTE]

    The change of the already adopted written system Glagolitic in Bulgaria into another simplified form of letters for the purposes of the state administration and for education in general cannot happen without it being ordered by the Bulgarian royal court. Yes, the alphabet that we call the Cyrillic alphabet today is actually a Bulgarian alphabet created in Bulgaria, by order of the Bulgarian ruler and for the purposes of the Bulgarian state. It may be a forging product of the work of Cyril and Methodius, but millions of people write on it today.
    Their students did not go to the South Slavic regions, but came to Bulgaria, here in the Bulgarian lands where they came from in the hope of escaping persecution and preserving the holy work. This alphabet has no documented creator, but one thing is for sure that it comes from the Bulgarian royal chancellery, so it is a Bulgarian alphabet, not a Slavic one.
    No, its not only Bulgarian. It is common Slavic heritage, script that was made for literacy and Christianisation of all Slavs, not only those in Bulgaria.

    Cyrilic alphabet is formed geographically closest to Greece. Thats the reason why it is first developed in North Macedonia and Bulgaria, and not in Serbia, or Ukraine or Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post

    The Cyrillic alphabet was an indirect result of the missionary work of the 9th-century “Apostles of the Slavs,” St. Cyril (or Constantine) and St. Methodius. Their mission to Moravia lasted only a few decades.
    Oldest cyrillic symbols on the territory of Russia dated 950-980 were found in Gnezdovo near Smolensk, one of the places where the migrants from Moravia settled
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty Ears View Post
    Oldest cyrillic symbols on the territory of Russia dated 950-580 were found in Gnezdovo near Smolensk, one of the places where the migrants from Moravia settled
    Great.
    I love our Cyrillic script so much. Its part of identity.
    Unfortunately, there was forced latinisation of Serbian language during Yugoslav period.
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