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Thread: R1a and the dispersal of Indo-germanic languages

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    These SNPs can hardly be associated originally and wholly with any of these groups, what is especially striking is an association of CTS1211 with Slavs, YP1272 with Illyrians, YP1051 with Thracians and M458 with Romance languages.

    YP1272 is an forest/forest steppe EHG haplogrup whereas CTS1211 is just a Corded Ware marker along with M458. Z92 remains strongly Baltic (aside maybe 1 biggest branch of YP569) but originally was just a NE Euro CWC group. YP1051 remains a mystery up to this day. L664 is a western CWC marker, hard to say whether it was present among the Celtic people or not (but a part of it could have been present among them, that also goes to some now rare branches of Z280).
    R1a-Z282>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y3226>YP5224>BY27800
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    And YP5000 ?

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    YP5000 is one of the five primary subclades of Z280, so according to this approach, a branch akin to Baltic and Slavic. But realistically it occured within an already existing group, for instance Germans. Where it goes from there is up to you, as you know your family history better. When some more men or ancient samples with the same subclade are found positive a cluster can be formed and from their recorded locations a history can be made.

    I checked however the ISOGG R tree and don't see it listed so maybe a change of some sort is up to come. So let's make a tree here:

    R-Z280

    • Z92/S205

    • CTS1211

    • S24902

    • YP5000

    • FT6375



    Honestly, at this time, all I can say is that this mutation occured from basal Z280* in some man at some point in time for some reason and there is quite a few of any haplogroup in its basal form and rare mutations like this can happen literally tomorrow from father to son.
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