J2 and the foundation of Human Civilization

[Rethel]

Technically speaking it is one of the highest %

But not the most, as he claimed.

who is mad at the superiority of J2.

You allready made one insane thread about it, so spare us this insanity here.

[Ritz06]

Yay

[Dr_Maul]

Yay

Welcome to the masterrace homie
Have you done any subclade predictors by any chance?

[kleenex]

G2 has a greater claim to that distinction at least in Europe before the arrival of Steppe.

[Thomasid16]

But it is indeed a very interesting haplogroup. It must be emerged somewhere between Anatolia, Levante, Caucasus and Iran but it is omnipresent in who Eurasia.

Anyway, thank you very much for bringing this information to us. It's really nice of you.

[happycow]

G2 has a greater claim to that distinction at least in Europe before the arrival of Steppe.

Anatolian farmer pride!!!

[Tongio]

Come on dr maul, you post a desinformative map entirely of J2a´s conquests, when u are yourself J2b-L283, the most hermit of the hermit lineages.
The only L283 on the map is an ancient gaul who god knows why died and got buried in imperial rome.
J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.139128,0 .053551,0.020026,0.044008,0.001394,0.00047,0.00715 4,0.01943,0.01877,0.000812,0.006444,-0.014123,-0.009496,0.008822,0.004906,-0.001825,-0.002154,0,-0.003752,0.003494,0.002844,-0.005793,0.002048,0.00455

Target: J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Distance: 2.0019% / 0.02001871 | R3P
49.2 FRA_Alsace_IA1(Hallstatt)
25.8 ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA
25.0 FRA_Alsace_IA2(Hallstatt)

Target: J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Distance: 3.5054% / 0.03505399 | R3P
49.4 TUR_Barcin_N
36.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4 WHG

[zebruh]

Come on dr maul, you post a desinformative map entirely of J2a´s conquests, when u are yourself J2b-L283, the most hermit of the hermit lineages.
The only L283 on the map is an ancient gaul who god knows why died and got buried in imperial rome.
J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116,0.126344,0.139128,0 .053551,0.020026,0.044008,0.001394,0.00047,0.00715 4,0.01943,0.01877,0.000812,0.006444,-0.014123,-0.009496,0.008822,0.004906,-0.001825,-0.002154,0,-0.003752,0.003494,0.002844,-0.005793,0.002048,0.00455

Target: J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Distance: 2.0019% / 0.02001871 | R3P
49.2FRA_Alsace_IA1(Hallstatt)
25.8ITA_Boville_Ernica_IA
25.0FRA_Alsace_IA2(Hallstatt)

Target: J-L283:ITA_Rome_Imperial:RMPR116
Distance: 3.5054% / 0.03505399 | R3P
49.4TUR_Barcin_N
36.2Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4WHG

J-L283 was mostly bottlenecked until about 3000bc 2500bc

The expansion of J-L283 was due to Roman expansion. It mostly concentrated in the balkans and italalian peninsula and islands as the heaviest J-L283 origin was adriatic. Southern italians were J-L283 when illiyrians crossed into southern italy.
Some proto illyrians split and became nuraghe.

The oldest J-L283 was found in croatia.
A disproportionate number of pre z597 ancient sample lineages were found in sardinia

https://www.yfull.com/tree/j-l283/
Search for word age and you will see the majority, almost all ancient samples found so far are from sardinia, croatia or Italy.

Theres also ancient J-L283 from corsica but there wasnt enough good quality data to show which J-L283 sublineage it is part of.

https://phylogeographer.com/insights...di-cristofaro/

Corsica was linked with Etruscan in ancient times.

Its also possible that some J-L283 lineages were from nobility which is probably why there was such a low rate of J-L283 as they would mostly mingle with other nobility for hundreds of years.

Here is one lineage noted for it

https://phylogeographer.com/vpb-307-...hely-cemetery/

[Tongio]

The expansion of J-L283 was due to Roman expansion. It mostly concentrated in the balkans and italalian peninsula and islands as the heaviest J-L283 origin was adriatic.

Not solely, the romans never been to Poland , Russia or scandinavia, for example.The indo europeans were the ones who spread L283 in europe , via tumulus culture and derivates aka Bell beackers , hallstatt

Some J-L283 of illiyrian origin crossed into southern italy.
Some tumulus culture splits mygrated to sardinia and became nuraghe.

The oldest J-L283 was found in panonian Serbia , mokrin.

A disproportionate number of dead end early split clades were found in sardinia

Corrected. You had writen much wrong stuff.

Theres also ancient J-L283 from corsica but there wasnt enough good quality data to show which J-L283 sublineage it is part of.

https://phylogeographer.com/insights...di-cristofaro/

Corsica was linked with Etruscan in ancient times.

Its also possible that some J-L283 lineages were from nobility which is probably why there was such a low rate of J-L283 as they would mostly mingle with other nobility for hundreds of years.

Here is one lineage noted for it

https://phylogeographer.com/vpb-307-...hely-cemetery/

Ok man i dont know If i understand how your coment relates to my inicial comment in matter of context , cool that you are excited about our haplogroup but i know enough about my lineage dont need you typing made up ideas of yours.
Here is Flor veseli's map so you can get tô know better:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...5836047676&z=4

Only the revised and atested ones make up to the map, but u could already see on yfull that the Bell beaker from mokrin is the oldest , hell i told you that some few days ago.

[zebruh]

Not solely, the romans never been to Poland , Russia or scandinavia, for example.The indo europeans were the ones who spread L283 in europe , via tumulus culture and derivates aka Bell beackers , hallstatt

Corrected. You had writen much wrong stuff.

poland isn't J-L283 heavy. Germany has more J-L283 than poland.

Also none of the Ancient J-L283 are from poland or Germany.

Although before arriving to the balkans its possible that they crossed poland. It wasnt a heavier concentration of J-L283 there. Its mostly in the adriatic and italian regions where we have ancient samples from.
Also having a current day polish person of J-L283 doesnt mean it spent most of its time in poland. Its more recent migration

Ok man i dont know If i understand how your coment relates to my inicial comment in matter of context , cool that you are excited about our haplogroup but i know enough about my lineage dont need you typing made up ideas of yours.
Here is Flor veseli's map so you can get tô know better:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...5836047676&z=4

Flor feve
Only the revised and atested ones make up to the map, but u could already see on yfull that the Bell beaker from mokrin is the oldest , hell i told you that some few days ago.

Yes you can see there is only 1 ancient J-L283 in nederlands 1300 CE. Its recent
None in poland.
The viking is about 1000 ad
The one in estonia is 1500ad
Its actually possible they crossed the black sea and landed straight into the balkans first. Which may reflect sea faring capabilties and is why they are concentrated in the adriatic and also have very old samples in sardinia with basal pre z585 J-L283 ancient samples.


Also we have J-L283 in spain that has been linked to Albanian J-L283