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    Many Americans feel we are moving way too far to the left- even some Democrats. Europeans think that even our "liberal" politicians are conservative. But if that's true, the rest of the West is basically screwed. I see why we are such a prize, sitting on the last reservoir of a free society.

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    USA internally is free-trade, EUR tends towards Socialism.

    Modern leftism is not socialist (look at china), complicated to understand what conservative and liberal here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    Many Americans feel we are moving way too far to the left- even some Democrats. Europeans think that even our "liberal" politicians are conservative. But if that's true, the rest of the West is basically screwed. I see why we are such a prize, sitting on the last reservoir of a free society.
    America as a country is currently pointless. The whole point of America is supposed to be 'freedom'. America was a free country from about 1776 to about the 1930s then it got even worse after 9/11. The UK is more free in certain aspects like you can be more eccentric without being jailed by a psychiatrist :



    Don't fall for the liberal-conservative dichotomy. It is false and misleading, and is easily used by tyrants to restrict freedom. For example, our 'conservative' tyrants have given us a 'war on drugs' which has eviscerated many of our rights; while our liberal tyrants have given us 'civil rights' which have eviscerated even more rights. The point is that the only real political divide is between small government (whose harm is limited) and Big Government (whose harm seems to be unlimited) -- a divide which really translates into the question of how much taxes should the government be allowed to impose on you (us ?).

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    Yes I think America is one of the more right wing countries from a western perspective. Here, people always talk about how our left politicians such as Biden or Bernie are considered Center or middle-right in Europe.
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    The answer is no. Not politically. Why? Because the US is a liberal country and always has been (see founding fathers).
    Liberalism can be broken down into several branches.

    But liberal political parties can adopt social/cultural conservatism (see Burke who was a Old Whig and pretty much a right-liberal or conservative liberal; he opposed the French Revolution, supported American independance, but was against the conservative Tories).

    Do you like your guns? Your constitution? Free speech? Keeping those pesky aristocrats and monarchs away? Do you consider yourself a Patriot? Dislike "Popery" and Anglicans?
    Well you are a liberal (or radical) of some sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    The answer is no. Not politically. Why? Because the US is a liberal country and always has been (see founding fathers).
    Liberalism can be broken down into several branches.

    But liberal political parties can adopt social/cultural conservatism (see Burke who was a Old Whig and pretty much a right-liberal or conservative liberal; he opposed the French Revolution, supported American independance, but was against the conservative Tories).

    Do you like your guns? Your constitution? Free speech? Keeping those pesky aristocrats and monarchs away? Do you consider yourself a Patriot? Dislike "Popery" and Anglicans?
    Well you are a liberal (or radical) of some sort.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    The answer is no. Not politically. Why? Because the US is a liberal country and always has been (see founding fathers).
    Liberalism can be broken down into several branches.

    But liberal political parties can adopt social/cultural conservatism (see Burke who was a Old Whig and pretty much a right-liberal or conservative liberal; he opposed the French Revolution, supported American independance, but was against the conservative Tories).

    Do you like your guns? Your constitution? Free speech? Keeping those pesky aristocrats and monarchs away? Do you consider yourself a Patriot? Dislike "Popery" and Anglicans?
    Well you are a liberal (or radical) of some sort.
    We were a liberal country 250 years ago. But when that "liberalism" became the norm, it became conservative to want to keep it that way. I see the two as fluctuating with the times. At any rate, I don't consider leftism "liberal" in any sense of the word, so I try not to refer to it as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoon View Post
    The answer is no. Not politically. Why? Because the US is a liberal country and always has been (see founding fathers).
    Liberalism can be broken down into several branches.

    But liberal political parties can adopt social/cultural conservatism (see Burke who was a Old Whig and pretty much a right-liberal or conservative liberal; he opposed the French Revolution, supported American independance, but was against the conservative Tories).

    Do you like your guns? Your constitution? Free speech? Keeping those pesky aristocrats and monarchs away? Do you consider yourself a Patriot? Dislike "Popery" and Anglicans?
    Well you are a liberal (or radical) of some sort.
    Liberalism meant something different back then. The Founding Fathers were not "liberals" in the sense of today (i.e. degeneracy, gay marriage, lgbtq, abortion on every corner, etc)
    With your logic today's "leftists" are ultra conservative because they want gun control and to take away free speech platforms and hate America. So they're conservatives? Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    Many Americans feel we are moving way too far to the left- even some Democrats. Europeans think that even our "liberal" politicians are conservative. But if that's true, the rest of the West is basically screwed.I see why we are such a prize, sitting on the last reservoir of a free society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    Liberalism meant something different back then. The Founding Fathers were not "liberals" in the sense of today (i.e. degeneracy, gay marriage, lgbtq, abortion on every corner, etc)
    Liberalism was economical with some values. Democratic and property distributed equally among the colonists. Equal rights (European only). England was a monarchy with ownership of land inherited from the feudal system and the government levied a lot of tax. For social values they were conservative

    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    With your logic today's "leftists" are ultra conservative because they want gun control and to take away free speech platforms and hate America. So they're conservatives? Not really.
    Except for a few things. Leftism is not liberal, as it wants to control the population with a state-owned government and raise taxes, its supporters are the disaffected. LGBT (carriers of sexual deviation), envious poor, selfish feminists and BLM (90% composed of lazy blacks).
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