Is the USA considered most conservative country in the West?

[Blondie]

Europeans think that even our "liberal" politicians are conservative.

[noricum]

Many Americans feel we are moving way too far to the left- even some Democrats. Europeans think that even our "liberal" politicians are conservative. But if that's true, the rest of the West is basically screwed. I see why we are such a prize, sitting on the last reservoir of a free society.

Someone laden with studend debts or someone facing financial ruin because of cancer istn't free in my opinion. Out of all western countries the US also has the largest proportion of its citizens imprisoned, that does't quite fit to "the last reservoir of a free society". Few Europeans think that your "liberal" politicians are conservative. AOC or Sanders are left politicians by our standards as well, but we have plenty politicians with similar beliefs whereas they appear hideously left wing on the US political landscape. I rather fine it amusing what a scearseword (democratic) Socialism is, when European countries with the highest quality of living (such as the Scandinavian countries, Germany, Austria, etc.) were formed by social democrats to a large degree. That might be a aftermath of cold war propaganda and the McCarthy aera.
To make it clear, I'm not a left winger and I don't think copying Europe is necessarily the right way for the US because the factors are just so different.

[Richmondbread]

Liberalism was economical with some values. Democratic and property distributed equally among the colonists. Equal rights (European only). England was a monarchy with ownership of land inherited from the feudal system and the government levied a lot of tax. For social values they were conservative


Except for a few things. Leftism is not liberal, as it wants to control the population with a state-owned government and raise taxes, its supporters are the disaffected. LGBT (carriers of sexual deviation), envious poor, selfish feminists and BLM (90% composed of lazy blacks).

That is liberal authoritarian.

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[luc2112]

That is liberal authoritarian.

Yes, but in a democratic government of 4 years they only implement the 1st phase of the plan (attacking social values, even if functional).

[Dragoon]

Liberalism meant something different back then. The Founding Fathers were not "liberals" in the sense of today (i.e. degeneracy, gay marriage, lgbtq, abortion on every corner, etc)
With your logic today's "leftists" are ultra conservative because they want gun control and to take away free speech platforms and hate America. So they're conservatives? Not really.

"Back then" only within the scope of America. In many countries the term liberal still means what it meant.

Look I get it in USA liberal has become a negative word. You associate with it Democrats and libtards. But guess what the world is not America.

[luc2112]

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[luc2112]

Someone laden with studend debts or someone facing financial ruin because of cancer istn't free in my opinion. Out of all western countries the US also has the largest proportion of its citizens imprisoned, that does't quite fit to "the last reservoir of a free society". Few Europeans think that your "liberal" politicians are conservative.

We also have a high proportion of prisoners, things from a large country with part of the indiplined population. Europe after terrible wars, famine and iron fist Christianity, has become disciplined.
The US higher education system needs reform. The health system? (maybe the old people should die).
Europe is no example with this old population and low GDP growth, in fact Europe it is disintegrating and politicians are desperate.

[Cernunnos]

Poland is more right wing shifted than the USA. Poland and several other former East Bloc countries.

[noricum]

We also have a high proportion of prisoners, things from a large country with part of the indiplined population. Europe after terrible wars, famine and iron fist Christianity, has become disciplined.
The US higher education system needs reform.
Europe is no example with this old population and low GDP growth, in fact Europe it is disintegrating and politicians are desperate.

You simply get enailed for relatively mild crimes, you wouldn't get enjailed for in my country. Terrible wars etc do not discipline populations, much the opposite. A reatively high degree of social security does though as it takes away the need for crime, to some degree.

The health system? (maybe the old people should die).

Sure, as long its not your partents or eventually you. But then don't talk about a society or a people, rather a pack of wolfs with everybody looking for personal profit only. The respective state/country then has no meanig at all.

Europe is no example with this old population and low GDP growth, in fact Europe it is disintegrating and politicians are desperate.

US democracy is currently in a worse state than democracy in most EU countries, as for GDP we will have to see how Brexit and Covid turns out as for the latter on both sides of the Atlantic: https://mgmresearch.com/wp-content/u...-1980-2018.png
I won't cry if the current EU gets replaced with something better. A to low reproduction rate is a problem all over Europe, you are of course right about that.

[luc2112]

You simply get enailed for relatively mild crimes, you wouldn't get enjailed for in my country. Terrible wars etc do not discipline populations, much the opposite. A reatively high degree of social security does though as it takes away the need for crime, to some degree.

Keeps the people together for a commom, otherwise they become selfish and lazy.

Sure, as long its not your partents or eventually you. But then don't talk about a society or a people, rather a pack of wolfs with everybody looking for personal profit only. The respective state/country then has no meanig at all.

Their social security is in deficit and young labor is scarce and more expensive

US democracy is currently in a worse state than democracy in most EU countries, as for GDP we will have to see how Brexit and Covid turns out as for the latter on both sides of the Atlantic: https://mgmresearch.com/wp-content/u...-1980-2018.png
I won't cry if the current EU gets replaced with something better. A to low reproduction rate is a problem all over Europe, you are of course right about that.

I was talking about before the covid, EU is growing well below the world average...