Southern Europeans' being mistaken as MENA in Northern Europe is simply a lie!!!

[Dimitri159]

We do acknowledge the fact that Meds aren't the stereotypical NW European "white". But we still are Europeans genetically and phenotypically.

What is "European genetics" to you exactly? Just so I can understand what you mean. North and south Euros differ from each other genetically speaking, and only one can be "white" technically. European=/white. Just like Asia=/"Asian" (Chinese, Japanese, etc). No one denies that Meds are European, but that doesn't mean they are "white", nor does it mean they are "the same as the rest of Europe" either.

As far as my understanding goes, most Meds (excluding Iberians) are mostly of J or E haplogroups, and cluster in between the Euro and MENA bulks on genetic cluster charts. J and E are foreign to Europe, originating in west Asia from Anatolian farmers. What I view as "white" comes from the R strand, originating from Euro hunters/gatherers from the Russian steppe, basically Aryans. All people of the R strand cluster quite close to each other as well. There are Greeks who carry the R strand, but it's not the majority nor is it as common as E or J.

If you're trying to say that Meds are European, just say "European". White doesn't make sense, and it really only should apply to northern Euros (Celts, Slavs, Germanics, etc.). Just like how "yellow" only applies to east Asians rather than ALL people of Asia. I don't get why so many alt-rightists wish to expand the white race, it's stupid.

[Ruggery]

Come on guys, it's obvious that Gallicus is trolling, haven't you noticed?

[TheMaestro]

I notice a lot of Greeks on these types of forums seem to be alt-right in most cases, rather than centrist which is most preferred (imo).

Preffered? How retarted and ignorant this comment is. So your preffered opinion has to be the right one? People can be right and left or center it's their own opinion, forcing people politics or religion is for me incredibly autistic.

[RogueState]

What is "European genetics" to you exactly? Just so I can understand what you mean. North and south Euros differ from each other genetically speaking, and only one can be "white" technically. European=/white. Just like Asia=/"Asian" (Chinese, Japanese, etc). No one denies that Meds are European, but that doesn't mean they are "white", nor does it mean they are "the same as the rest of Europe" either.

As far as my understanding goes, most Meds (excluding Iberians) are mostly of J or E haplogroups, and cluster in between the Euro and MENA bulks on genetic cluster charts. J and E are foreign to Europe, originating in west Asia from Anatolian farmers. What I view as "white" comes from the R strand, originating from Euro hunters/gatherers from the Russian steppe, basically Aryans. All people of the R strand cluster quite close to each other as well. There are Greeks who carry the R strand, but it's not the majority nor is it as common as E or J.

If you're trying to say that Meds are European, just say "European". White doesn't make sense, and it really only should apply to northern Euros (Celts, Slavs, Germanics, etc.). Just like how "yellow" only applies to east Asians rather than ALL people of Asia. I don't get why so many alt-rightists wish to expand the white race, it's stupid.

The genetic E Meditid brothers should free themselves from the R Europid and J Arabid imperialism, and rejects these false identities ("White" or "European") imposed on us !

[Dimitri159]

Preffered? How retarted and ignorant this comment is. So your preffered opinion has to be the right one? People can be right and left or center it's their own opinion, forcing people politics or religion is for me incredibly autistic.

I literally said “imo”. I never said it should be forced, I just said it’s preferred imo. I don’t get along with any alt extremists, right or left, because both lack rationality. So I prefer centrists. Is that a big deal?

[Petalpusher]

As far as my understanding goes, most Meds (excluding Iberians) are mostly of J or E haplogroups, and cluster in between the Euro and MENA bulks on genetic cluster charts. J and E are foreign to Europe, originating in west Asia from Anatolian farmers. What I view as "white" comes from the R strand, originating from Euro hunters/gatherers from the Russian steppe, basically Aryans. All people of the R strand cluster quite close to each other as well. There are Greeks who carry the R strand, but it's not the majority nor is it as common as E or J.

Even Greece and S.Italy are more R1 than they are E or J. Anatolian farmers were not E, they had less E than Swedes have E today.. that's how not E they were. They were mostly G (highest in Adygei and Ossetians todays) and l2 to a lesser extent. The were equally non J as well.

Haplogroups don't mean much anyway, besides the curiosity aspect of an individual. They are mostly useful as a supporting evidence of populations movements at a grander scale, and with a lot of precautions. Even then it's still dangerous to associate anything to them as they are also always half of the story, women are out of the picture and as far as i know, everybody who ever walked this earth had mothers, so they might be as important. You are as much a mulatto if your mother was black as if it was your father, yet in the first scenario you have retained the same Y that you would associate with whites, while clearly, you ain't anymore.

Either way northern/southern Euros with a E/J won't be any different "racially" than those with R from their respective countries. It's an assurance of nothing by itself. It's not even good prediction of admixture nowadays, you have about the same amount of E in East Germany than in Malta as a random example. Really cool beans... tells you nothing.
It's like saying my name is Johnson so i have to be a WASP since it's common and transmitted by fathers to the next generation, just like the Y. Yet plenty of non whites with that name too.

Just a little interlude in the mist of this grand topic.

[Septentrion]

I just don't want millions of South Euro migrants flooding the country and changing its historical races.
There is so much denial and cherry-picking in this thread that I'll just stop answering.

Southern Euros are the whitest people ever, there is literally 0 people looking MENA among them, I hope they will replace all Europeans.

Cheers

Excuse me? "Southern Europeans are the whitest people ever". Interesting, how are they so? They are the swarthiest Europeans in terms of complexion.

[Cristiano viejo]

Excuse me? "Southern Europeans are the whitest people ever". Interesting, how are they so? They are the swarthiest Europeans in terms of complexion.

Seriously, Septentrion: do you have any intellectual capacity problem or something??
Even a five years old kid would have noticed that was a sarcasm...

You sound like a Black frustrated virgin, Pablo.
Your comment is also funny as Spaniards are probably the most impotent and gayest people in Europe, even more than Northern Europeans. Women who come there seek sex with other tourists, not with impotent effeminate leftist Spaniards with gauge piercings.

He is French, stupid retard.

[Gallicus]

He is French, stupid retard.

It was also a sarcasm Iberiantard. There are Meds in France too.

[Deusex99]

What is "European genetics" to you exactly? Just so I can understand what you mean. North and south Euros differ from each other genetically speaking, and only one can be "white" technically. European=/white. Just like Asia=/"Asian" (Chinese, Japanese, etc). No one denies that Meds are European, but that doesn't mean they are "white", nor does it mean they are "the same as the rest of Europe" either.

As far as my understanding goes, most Meds (excluding Iberians) are mostly of J or E haplogroups, and cluster in between the Euro and MENA bulks on genetic cluster charts. J and E are foreign to Europe, originating in west Asia from Anatolian farmers. What I view as "white" comes from the R strand, originating from Euro hunters/gatherers from the Russian steppe, basically Aryans. All people of the R strand cluster quite close to each other as well. There are Greeks who carry the R strand, but it's not the majority nor is it as common as E or J.

If you're trying to say that Meds are European, just say "European". White doesn't make sense, and it really only should apply to northern Euros (Celts, Slavs, Germanics, etc.). Just like how "yellow" only applies to east Asians rather than ALL people of Asia. I don't get why so many alt-rightists wish to expand the white race, it's stupid.

R haplogroup is of mongoloid origin and was spread into Europe by Yamnaya pastoralists who were themselves half Middle Eastern (CHG/Iran). Original hunther gatherers of Europe had an affinity to East Asians and were less White than farmers.

Truly the only relevant difference between Northern and Southern Europeans is that the former adapted to low UV climate and became fairer. North Europeans are genetically less White than Southern Europeans due to their mongoloid/North Asian DNA.