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    Default Serbian Nobility

    I would like to know:

    - What was the number and percentage of the nobilty in XVth century?
    - What is the number and percentage of medieval Uradel today?
    - What is the number and percentage of new nobility, ottoman (?) and postindependent (created in 19th and 20th century)?

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    no noble people there?

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    Hungarians called Serbs Rácok (Raci, Rascians) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rascians

    Croatian historian and diplomat Josip Keresturi in 1790 in Budapest wrote: Serbians and Bosnians, which the Hungarians call Rascians by medieval Rascian kingdom, never call themselves Rascians, but Serbs (Serblians), and they don't call their people or language anywhere by Rascian name, but with Serbian or Slavic (Serbian, Slavic people)


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    As you can see from my previous post Keresturi mentioned Croatians (Croatae), Dalmatians (Dalmatae) and Slavonians (Slavones) as three separate Slavic people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    As you can see from my previous post Keresturi mentioned Croatians (Croatae), Dalmatians (Dalmatae) and Slavonians (Slavones) as three separate Slavic people.
    And I see Bośniaks=Serbs. Woderfull, but it doesn't answer my questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    And I see Bośniaks=Serbs. Woderfull, but it doesn't answer my questions.
    When Ottomans came Serbian nobility mostly moved to Hungary or converted on islam, small part stayed on Ottoman territories as Chrstians and they lost privileges and became rayah.

    From 16th to the 18th century on Austrian and Venetian territories some Serbian families gained nobility because they distinguished themselves in the wars against Ottomans, like for example families Sinobad and Janković in Dalmatia and Stratimirović and Jagodić in Vojvodina.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinobad
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Stratimirović
    https://www.dvorcisrbije.rs/en/jagodic-castle-konak/

    In 19th century in Habsburg monarchy (mostly in Vojvodina) some rich Serbian families bought the nobility from Vienna, family Dunđerski was one of them https://dais.sanu.ac.rs/handle/123456789/4326

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    And I see Bośniaks=Serbs. Woderfull, but it doesn't answer my questions.
    No it ain't', Bosniaks never called themselves Serbs, so it's irrelevant what subhuman Varda spams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    As you can see from my previous post Keresturi mentioned Croatians (Croatae), Dalmatians (Dalmatae) and Slavonians (Slavones) as three separate Slavic people.
    Nobody cares, your people were called Servs by Byzantines because they were poor servants with inadequate footing. Stick to Servs stupid ape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    When Ottomans came Serbian nobility mostly moved to Hungary or converted on islam, small part stayed on Ottoman territories as Chrstians and they lost privileges and became rayah.

    From 16th to the 18th century on Austrian and Venetian territories some Serbian families gained nobility because they distinguished themselves in the wars against Ottomans, like for example families Sinobad and Janković in Dalmatia and Stratimirović and Jagodić in Vojvodina.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinobad
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojan_Janković
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Stratimirović
    https://www.dvorcisrbije.rs/en/jagodic-castle-konak/

    In 19th century in Habsburg monarchy (mostly in Vojvodina) some rich Serbian families bought the nobility from Vienna, family Dunđerski was one of them https://dais.sanu.ac.rs/handle/123456789/4326
    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    No it ain't', Bosniaks never called themselves Serbs, so it's irrepevant what subhuman Varda spams.


    Woderfull, but it is still not an answer to my questions.

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