Vahaduo Kype and his agenda

**Demhat** · 04-04-2021, 08:23 PM

Hey Lucas since you didn't answer my PM. And you didn't seem to care about the fact that. Dubious liars like Kype and Leto, who claims to be a East European (with hard fettish for West, South and Central Asia ) do what they want with Kurdish samples.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7067059

Originally Posted by Kype

Actually I mostly go with western academic classifcations. "Azerbaijani" is a recognized ethnicity nowadays. Everything else is political (to me personally). So I urge you to stick to estbalished academic facts to remain the universal character of the list. For example origin of Zazas is not 100% established as Kurdish, I would stick to "Zaza" in this case.
If I would ask my grandmother what ethnicity she is, she would answer "Turk" like 95% of old Azerbaijani people. Now this doesn't mean she doesn't consider herself Iranian too, have you understand? Saying Azerbaijanis are Persian is political in the same way like saying Azerbaijanis are not Iranian because they speak Turkish.

Yes the same Lucas. You can post your demands in this thread (like other members, not only me) or PM him

Interestingly you guys go with "Western classifications" when it suits your agenda and always then when it is not in favour of Kurds. If you are so into Western classification how does it come that Feylis are listed as "Iran_Feyli" in this data set and seperated by the Iran_Kurdish average. Despite Feyli(Kelhuri/Leki) being classified virtually by any linguist as part of the Kurdish Dialects?

Lucas you should seriously keep a closer eye on these things, because people with agendas are obviously manipulating the datasets.

It shouldn't be allowed to random people to create their own datasets.

**Halgurd** · 04-04-2021, 08:46 PM

Agreed. The same goes for Ezidi Kurds too.

A lot of people just seem to be spouting the nonsense of european orientalists who were writing journals about which subgroup is Kurd and which subgroup is not Kurd whilst being
completely oblivious to self identification.

What is next? How long until they decide the Sorani are not Kurds? It's laughable at this point.

**Demhat** · 04-04-2021, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Halgurd

Agreed. The same goes for Ezidi Kurds too.

A lot of people just seem to be spouting the nonsense of european orientalists who were writing journals about which subgroup is Kurd and which subgroup is not Kurd whilst being
completely oblivious to self identification.

What is next? How long until they decide the Sorani are not Kurds? It's laughable at this point.

That is not even the biggest issue here, it is theplain hypocrisy shown by certain two faced lying members out here. And the fact that no one takes it into account. When it fits the agenda Western schoolars are important. When not it is not?

Always when it is not in favour of Kurds. And the fact that Lucas is closing his eyes to this.

**Kyp** · 04-04-2021, 09:03 PM

Liar. This is the Feyli Kurdish average that I added:

really a low-blow..

**Kyp** · 04-04-2021, 09:05 PM

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7155069

**Leto** · 04-04-2021, 09:11 PM

This is asinine.

I've been updating Dodecad K12b because I like it and because few people care about it but as for the Kurds I've only had Kurd_Adygea added which is to be deleted since it's not really a distinct population. I'm waiting for Lukasz to remove it. Other than that, I have no idea what you're talking about. Without me there would not be half of the populations in the updated sheet.

**Leto** · 04-04-2021, 09:15 PM

Demhat, please close this bullshit and we will forget it. If you don't like the calculator, do not use it. We had nothing against you whatsoever. In fact I even praised you for being R1a

**Dr_Maul** · 04-04-2021, 09:23 PM

Bad take

Leto and Kyp among the most active ones creating averages for this region in K12b. Without their advocacy K12b would be in the shitter for Turkics and Iranics just like almost every other calculator

**Leto** · 04-04-2021, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Bad take

Leto and Kyp among the most active ones creating averages for this region in K12b. Without their advocacy K12b would be in the shitter for Turkics and Iranics just like almost every other calculator

Yep. Actually finding many pops was a real pain in the ass. I had to ask other people to provide me with the Balanovsky data for example. Demhat has not contributed jack to this project. He and Zoro are attacking it because they personally don't score like those averages, I guess. LOL

**Kyp** · 04-04-2021, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Yep. Actually finding many pops was a real pain in the ass. I had to ask other people to provide me with the Balanovsky data for example. Demhat has not contributed jack to this project. He and Zoro are attacking it because they personally don't score like those averages, I guess. LOL

I think his problem was that Zaza wasn't listed as Kurdish. But the thing is we didnt create the average and neither are we some kind of patrons of the spreadsheet.