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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadorian View Post
    -)Northern Bosnians

    -)Southern Bosnians
    Southern Bosnians don't exist, people from south of B&H are called Herzegovians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Target: Slovenian
    Distance: 0.5313% / 0.53132540

    59.5 Slavic
    25.4 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    15.1 Germanic

    Target: Croat
    Distance: 0.3398% / 0.33983960

    63.1 Slavic
    29.6 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    7.3 Germanic

    Target: Bosniak
    Distance: 0.2971% / 0.29707457

    67.0 Slavic
    33.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman

    Target: Serb
    Distance: 0.1944% / 0.19443975

    59.0 Slavic
    40.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    1.0 Germanic

    Target: Montenegrin
    Distance: 0.2895% / 0.28948991

    50.1 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    48.1 Slavic
    1.8 Germanic

    Target: Bulgarian
    Distance: 0.0477% / 0.04774783

    50.9 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    47.4 Slavic
    1.5 Germanic
    0.2 Turkic

    Target: Pomak
    Distance: 0.4103% / 0.41031658

    51.1 Slavic
    48.9 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman

    Target: Macedonian
    Distance: 0.2245% / 0.22453488

    59.2 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    40.7 Slavic
    0.1 Germanic

    Target: Torbesh
    Distance: 0.5330% / 0.53302904

    67.3 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    32.7 Slavic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Southern Bosnians don't exist, people from south of B&H are called Herzegovians.
    I'm a Greek man from Crete, I don't really know the Balkans well north of the Montenegrin border .

    Good intel, thumbs up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megadorian View Post
    I'm a Greek man from Crete, I don't really know the Balkans well north of the Montenegrin border .

    Good intel, thumbs up.
    Thanks, but I'm too lazy to run the algorithm for all others. Culturally speaking, Slavonian Croats are most Slavic, they are only people in this region with truly Slavic culture in my view.
    If we speak about Croats, southern Croats from Adriatic islands/coast and dinaric Alps have very alien culture to Slavs in Slavic homeland, our culture is much more Med and Paleo-Balkanic influenced.

    NW Croats have German influences in their culture. But they are pretty similar to western Slavs (Czechs and Slovaks) juat like Slovenians.

    Bosniaks have Ottoman culture. etc.

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    Sandzak Bosniaks are not very Slavic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Sandzak Bosniaks are not very Slavic.
    They aren't real Bosniaks and have no ties to lands of Bosnia-Herzegovina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    They aren't real Bosniaks and have no ties to lands of Bosnia-Herzegovina.
    Yes I know about it. They are close to Montenegrins in Single Distances.

    They are a mix of Slavs and Albanians who converted to Islam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    Yes I know about it. They are close to Montenegrins in Single Distances.

    They are a mix of Slavs and Albanians who converted to Islam?
    I think they are mostly islamicised Brda Montenegrin clans. Brda clans are on average less Slavic than some other Montenegrin tribes and they did intermix with Albanian tribes, however they are Slavophone.
    Some Sandžak Bosniaks are descendants of medieval Serbs who converted to Islam and are native to SW Serbia but such people are minority among them. Btw to add: Brda orthodox clans are Serbs by identity, not Montenegrins.

    Sandžak dialects are mostly Montenegrin like. They do have lot of Paleo-Balkan ydna similarly like Albanians but autosomaly their Albanian blood is exeggerated.
    Sandžak Bosniaks are almost same people as Christian Montenegrins genetically and are closer to Serbs proper and to other orthodox Balkan Slavs than to Albanians.

    Distance to: Bosniak_Sandzak

    1.55550635 Romania_Oltenia
    1.63624570 Montenegrin
    2.29769450 Bulgaria_Southwestern
    2.42573700 Romania_Banat
    2.54913711 Romania_Transylvania
    2.55217554 Romania_Wallachia
    2.62665186 Romania_average
    2.80353348 Romania_Dobruja
    2.89444295 Romania_Moldavia_South
    3.05158975 Romania_Muntenia
    3.20137470 Bulgaria_Northwestern
    3.29095731 Serb_south
    3.33034533 Bulgaria_average
    3.48066086 Romania_Crisana
    3.78806019 Moldova_South
    4.06910310 Bulgaria_Northcentral
    4.15563473 Bulgaria_Southcentral
    4.44706645 Macedonian_North
    4.79548746 Bulgaria_Northeastern
    5.30389480 Romania_Maramures
    5.36654451 Macedonian
    5.41302134 Pomak_Bulgaria
    5.53161821 Macedonian_South
    6.04530396 Serb_central
    6.07098015 Serb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Target: Croat
    Distance: 0.3398% / 0.33983960
    63.1 Slavic
    29.6 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    7.3 Germanic


    Target: Serb
    Distance: 0.1944% / 0.19443975
    59.0 Slavic
    40.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman
    1.0 Germanic

    As we see, Croats are not significantly more Slavic then Serbs. They only have that Germanic component that is absent in us.
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    60.0 Slavic:RUS_Sunghir_MA
    23.0 Paleobalkanic:MKD_Anc
    17.0 Byzantine:TUR_Marmara_Balikesir_Byz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    As we see, Croats are not significantly more Slavic then Serbs. They only have that Germanic component that is absent in us.
    Yes, correct. But biggest difference isn't even in Germanic component, rather difference in pre-Slavic part. Croats pre-Slavic part is central Italian like, Serb pre-Slavic part south Italian like.
    While Bulgarians and Macedonians pre-Slavic part is something even more southern, and partly Anatolian.

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