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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkaner View Post
    Does Latgalians and Lithuanians proper having slightly more Neolithic admixture at all relate to greater Russian/Polish influence?
    I'm not an expert, I'm just giving my opinion. Lithuanians began to receive a Slavic contribution and more Western because of the Belarusians.

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    We get slightly different results using K36
    It is possible that K36 Western Ukrainian is too little Volyn
    The Belarusians of Polesia, the West and the East do not resemble the early Slavs

    Distance to: Russia_Sungir6_I2a1
    10.22455867 Polish_Mazovia
    10.26324023 Polish
    10.40715139 Polish-2
    11.17448880 Russian_Kursk
    11.36779662 Russian_Smolensk
    11.70088031 Russian_Oryol
    11.76571290 Ukrainian_West
    11.78107805 Ukrainian_Central
    11.78661105 Belarusian_East
    11.85442533 Ukrainian_East
    11.99784147 Russian_Don_Cossack
    12.00568615 Belarusian_West
    12.06658610 Polish_North
    12.08121683 Russian_Voronezh
    12.17892031 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    12.31663103 Polish_Podlasie_East_Mazovia
    12.73126074 Belarusian_Polesia
    12.94940153 Polish_South
    12.97702200 Polish_Wielkopolska
    13.07710213 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands
    13.51408894 Russian_Tver
    13.59182475 Polish_Kashubian
    13.74737793 Russian_Tambov
    14.03663777 Russian_Bryansk
    14.08814395 Russian


    Distance to: Early_Medieval_Pole_AV2
    7.78758628 Polish_Mazovia
    8.04425882 Polish_Podlasie_East_Mazovia
    8.15930144 Polish
    8.55852207 Belarusian_East
    8.84707296 Polish-2
    9.30514374 Russian_Smolensk
    9.33938970 Belarusian_West
    9.39439727 Belarusian_Polesia
    9.54815689 Russian_Bryansk
    9.91069624 Russian_Oryol
    10.15927655 Russian_Voronezh
    10.17266435 Russian_Don_Cossack
    10.23995605 Ukrainian_Central
    10.38406953 Russian_Kursk
    10.39558079 Ukrainian_East
    10.99708143 Polish_Wielkopolska
    11.59527059 Ukrainian_West
    11.65009871 Polish_Sudovia
    12.41552657 Russian_Tambov
    12.48012019 Polish_Kashubian
    12.48586401 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    12.57721352 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov
    12.73793939 Russian_Tver
    12.74641126 Polish_North
    12.75900074 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands


    Distance to: Early_Medieval_Pole_AV1
    12.60072617 Slovak-2
    13.25529705 Polish_South
    13.85427732 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    14.26578775 Ukrainian_West
    14.39418285 Ukrainian_Central
    15.10316854 Russian_Don_Cossack
    15.11068496 Polish_Wielkopolska
    15.47042339 Polish
    15.53739682 Ukrainian_East
    15.80641326 Russian_Oryol
    15.82437045 Russian_Tver
    15.98026596 Polish_SE_Carpathia
    15.99610890 Polish-2
    16.64877773 Polish_North
    16.72131873 Russian_Voronezh
    16.83262903 Polish_Kashubian
    16.92850555 Russian_Tambov
    17.15325917 Polish_Mazovia
    17.53808712 Russian_Kursk
    17.74619114 Belarusian_Polesia
    17.76481635 Russian_Smolensk
    17.89219383 Belarusian_West
    17.96544739 Belarusian_East
    18.20291460 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands
    18.23289609 Russian

    Distance to: Early_Medieval_Czech_RISE569_K36
    13.21590330 Slovak-2
    14.95250481 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    15.02660973 Polish_North
    15.05402272 Polish_Wielkopolska
    15.24565184 Polish_SE_Carpathia
    15.33240033 Polish_South
    15.35807605 Ukrainian_West
    16.16910325 Romanian_Central
    17.27576048 Russian_Don_Cossack
    17.42981354 Polish_Kashubian
    17.47818927 Romanian_Northeast
    17.57722390 Polish
    17.69596282 Polish-2
    18.18468861 Russian_Voronezh
    18.48386053 Ukrainian_Central
    19.01918242 Romanian_Southwest
    19.23582335 Russian_Oryol
    19.27558300 Polish_Mazovia
    19.68204258 Belarusian_West
    19.78769567 Belarusian_Polesia
    20.32815535 Russian_Tambov
    20.34304549 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands
    20.34847660 Ukrainian_East
    20.35530889 Romanian_Southeast
    20.48346406 Russian_Kursk


    Distance to: Poland_Niemsza_18
    55.29273822 Polish_North
    55.43608482 Polish_Kashubian
    56.37502373 Polish_Wielkopolska
    56.57423353 Polish_Sudovia
    58.12980303 Polish_Podlasie_East_Mazovia
    58.18235643 Latvian2
    58.71164109 Polish_SE_Carpathia
    58.73304181 Polish_Mazovia
    58.76979496 Lithuanian
    59.11947902 Polish-2
    59.19323019 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    59.45022624 Russian_Perm
    59.65394874 Russian_Voronezh
    59.70327797 Belarusian_Polesia
    59.70547462 Polish
    59.94938198 Russian_Bryansk
    59.95246867 Belarusian_West
    59.99160608 Russian_Kostroma
    60.00146332 Slovak-2
    60.10208316 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands
    60.13085231 Polish_South
    60.20142855 Russian_Kursk
    60.38369979 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov
    60.50399326 Russian
    60.52390272 Russian_Tver

    IMO
    Slavic ethnogenesis took place to the West and South of Belarus
    Distance to: Germany_Lusatian_I0099
    24.10287950 Polish_North
    24.57828513 Slovak-2
    26.30865447 Ukrainian_West

    26.40460566 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    26.92023774 Polish_Wielkopolska
    26.93425514 Polish_South
    27.15541198 Polish_Kashubian
    27.17756612 Romanian_Central
    27.20710385 Polish_SE_Carpathia
    28.38747435 Romanian_Northeast
    29.86955976 Polish
    30.01100298 Polish-2
    30.68424025 Romanian_Southeast
    30.72701580 Romanian_Northwest
    30.82940317 Polish_Mazovia
    31.08146876 Ukrainian_Central
    31.30708706 Russian_Don_Cossack
    31.33983886 Romanian_Southwest
    32.15924906 Ukrainian_East
    32.35652021 Belarusian_West
    32.38165067 Belarusian_Polesia
    32.68757409 Russian_Voronezh
    32.86128573 Russian_Oryol
    33.55894367 Russian_Kursk
    33.78977508 Russian_Tambov

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    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    We get slightly different results using K36
    It is possible that K36 Western Ukrainian is too little Volyn
    The Belarusians of Polesia, the West and the East do not resemble the early Slavs

    Distance to: Russia_Sungir6_I2a1
    10.22455867 Polish_Mazovia
    10.26324023 Polish
    10.40715139 Polish-2
    11.17448880 Russian_Kursk
    11.36779662 Russian_Smolensk
    11.70088031 Russian_Oryol
    11.76571290 Ukrainian_West
    11.78107805 Ukrainian_Central
    11.78661105 Belarusian_East
    11.85442533 Ukrainian_East
    11.99784147 Russian_Don_Cossack
    12.00568615 Belarusian_West
    12.06658610 Polish_North
    12.08121683 Russian_Voronezh
    12.17892031 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    12.31663103 Polish_Podlasie_East_Mazovia
    12.73126074 Belarusian_Polesia
    12.94940153 Polish_South
    12.97702200 Polish_Wielkopolska
    13.07710213 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands
    13.51408894 Russian_Tver
    13.59182475 Polish_Kashubian
    13.74737793 Russian_Tambov
    14.03663777 Russian_Bryansk
    14.08814395 Russian


    Distance to: Early_Medieval_Pole_AV2
    7.78758628 Polish_Mazovia
    8.04425882 Polish_Podlasie_East_Mazovia
    8.15930144 Polish
    8.55852207 Belarusian_East
    8.84707296 Polish-2
    9.30514374 Russian_Smolensk
    9.33938970 Belarusian_West
    9.39439727 Belarusian_Polesia
    9.54815689 Russian_Bryansk
    9.91069624 Russian_Oryol
    10.15927655 Russian_Voronezh
    10.17266435 Russian_Don_Cossack
    10.23995605 Ukrainian_Central
    10.38406953 Russian_Kursk
    10.39558079 Ukrainian_East
    10.99708143 Polish_Wielkopolska
    11.59527059 Ukrainian_West
    11.65009871 Polish_Sudovia
    12.41552657 Russian_Tambov
    12.48012019 Polish_Kashubian
    12.48586401 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    12.57721352 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov
    12.73793939 Russian_Tver
    12.74641126 Polish_North
    12.75900074 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands


    Distance to: Early_Medieval_Pole_AV1
    12.60072617 Slovak-2
    13.25529705 Polish_South
    13.85427732 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    14.26578775 Ukrainian_West
    14.39418285 Ukrainian_Central
    15.10316854 Russian_Don_Cossack
    15.11068496 Polish_Wielkopolska
    15.47042339 Polish
    15.53739682 Ukrainian_East
    15.80641326 Russian_Oryol
    15.82437045 Russian_Tver
    15.98026596 Polish_SE_Carpathia
    15.99610890 Polish-2
    16.64877773 Polish_North
    16.72131873 Russian_Voronezh
    16.83262903 Polish_Kashubian
    16.92850555 Russian_Tambov
    17.15325917 Polish_Mazovia
    17.53808712 Russian_Kursk
    17.74619114 Belarusian_Polesia
    17.76481635 Russian_Smolensk
    17.89219383 Belarusian_West
    17.96544739 Belarusian_East
    18.20291460 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands
    18.23289609 Russian

    Distance to: Early_Medieval_Czech_RISE569_K36
    13.21590330 Slovak-2
    14.95250481 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    15.02660973 Polish_North
    15.05402272 Polish_Wielkopolska
    15.24565184 Polish_SE_Carpathia
    15.33240033 Polish_South
    15.35807605 Ukrainian_West
    16.16910325 Romanian_Central
    17.27576048 Russian_Don_Cossack
    17.42981354 Polish_Kashubian
    17.47818927 Romanian_Northeast
    17.57722390 Polish
    17.69596282 Polish-2
    18.18468861 Russian_Voronezh
    18.48386053 Ukrainian_Central
    19.01918242 Romanian_Southwest
    19.23582335 Russian_Oryol
    19.27558300 Polish_Mazovia
    19.68204258 Belarusian_West
    19.78769567 Belarusian_Polesia
    20.32815535 Russian_Tambov
    20.34304549 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands
    20.34847660 Ukrainian_East
    20.35530889 Romanian_Southeast
    20.48346406 Russian_Kursk


    Distance to: Poland_Niemsza_18
    55.29273822 Polish_North
    55.43608482 Polish_Kashubian
    56.37502373 Polish_Wielkopolska
    56.57423353 Polish_Sudovia
    58.12980303 Polish_Podlasie_East_Mazovia
    58.18235643 Latvian2
    58.71164109 Polish_SE_Carpathia
    58.73304181 Polish_Mazovia
    58.76979496 Lithuanian
    59.11947902 Polish-2
    59.19323019 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    59.45022624 Russian_Perm
    59.65394874 Russian_Voronezh
    59.70327797 Belarusian_Polesia
    59.70547462 Polish
    59.94938198 Russian_Bryansk
    59.95246867 Belarusian_West
    59.99160608 Russian_Kostroma
    60.00146332 Slovak-2
    60.10208316 Russian_Meshchera_Lowlands
    60.13085231 Polish_South
    60.20142855 Russian_Kursk
    60.38369979 Russian_Novgorod_Pskov
    60.50399326 Russian
    60.52390272 Russian_Tver

    IMO
    Slavic ethnogenesis took place to the West and South of Belarus
    Distance to: Germany_Lusatian_I0099
    24.10287950 Polish_North
    24.57828513 Slovak-2
    26.30865447 Ukrainian_West

    26.40460566 Polish_Upper_Silesia
    26.92023774 Polish_Wielkopolska
    26.93425514 Polish_South
    27.15541198 Polish_Kashubian
    27.17756612 Romanian_Central
    27.20710385 Polish_SE_Carpathia
    28.38747435 Romanian_Northeast
    29.86955976 Polish
    30.01100298 Polish-2
    30.68424025 Romanian_Southeast
    30.72701580 Romanian_Northwest
    30.82940317 Polish_Mazovia
    31.08146876 Ukrainian_Central
    31.30708706 Russian_Don_Cossack
    31.33983886 Romanian_Southwest
    32.15924906 Ukrainian_East
    32.35652021 Belarusian_West
    32.38165067 Belarusian_Polesia
    32.68757409 Russian_Voronezh
    32.86128573 Russian_Oryol
    33.55894367 Russian_Kursk
    33.78977508 Russian_Tambov
    What is Romanian doing there and where is the rest of Balkanites?

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    Bronze Age Balts were the most northern-plotting people in the entirety of Europe. Not even modern-day Latvians can be compared to them. And that sort of profile persisted for centuries later, as evidenced by one of the samples from ancient Sicily and Viminacium.

    All contemporary Balto-Slavic people showcase a certain amount of SW European-like autosomal admixture, although Slavs clearly have much more of it. A surprisingly good model for Balto-Slavs is Bronze Age Baltic + Iron Age Celtic samples. It makes sense taking into account that the branches parallel to I-Y3210 are exclusively found in Western Europe.

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    A bit offtopic, but can see clearly proto-Slavic part similar mentioned in topic.



    Quote from Greek music thread, Greeks argue who are the real one among them:

    Quote Originally Posted by Paraksenos View Post
    Go check the samples from the source yourself.

    -> https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/...obal25_12.html

    ->https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wZr...CQncZWb8y/view

    -> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F2r...SQNsmA-sl/view

    -> https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

    The Jewish propaganda promoter is accusing me of being a Jew, very ironic. "Cypriots are not Greek" says while rubbing their hands.




    Out of curiosity, I took this sample GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA and put it into modern populations, and run myself.



    Voilŕ

    Look at close distance


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    Distance: 2.0944% / 0.02094437
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    23.0 Paleobalkanic:MKD_Anc
    17.0 Byzantine:TUR_Marmara_Balikesir_Byz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dušan View Post
    A bit offtopic, but can see clearly proto-Slavic part similar mentioned in topic.



    Quote from Greek music thread, Greeks argue who are the real one among them:






    Out of curiosity, I took this sample GRC_Mycenaean_Palace_of_Nestor_BA and put it into modern populations, and run myself.



    Voilŕ

    Look at close distance


    Neolithic Starcevo works similarly.

    This is one of the factors that distinguish us Slavs from the UP Balts.

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