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    About Argentina, this is a chart with the different european nationalities in times of the main immigration.
    Clearly the italians were the biggest diaspora followed by spaniards.
    Italian immigration, spaniard immigration and the colonial stock are the basis of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasien View Post
    Woah, that's less then what I expected. But you also don't white wash Brazil so I believe you.

    Btw I'm 65% European/mena , do I pass In Rio janeiro?
    Trust what I said.

    Luc is a nice guy, but he has a tendency to Amerindianwash Brazil and downgrade our SSA imput.

    All Brazilians regions have a pred-Euro component.

    In some states, like Bahia, the SSA is stronger than the Euro imput, but even in cities like Ilhéus, in the same state, the Euro is stronger.

    Local differences in ancestry estimates for Brazilian populations



    Next, we evaluated the differences in ancestry estimates among populations of the different Brazilian states (Figure 4). Higher prevalence of European ancestry was observed for populations from all Brazilian states, and the highest was identified in Rio Grande do Sul (RS) (81.5%). On the contrary, the Maranhão state (MA) showed the lowest percentage of European ancestry (42.0%). Bahia (BA) showed the highest percentage of African ancestry (38.6%), while the lowest percentage was observed in Rio Grande do Sul (9.8%). Native American ancestry was highest in Maranhão (AM) (39%) and lowest in Minas Gerais state (MG) (6.8%).[/img]

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    You pass in all Brazil, so also in Rio de Janeiro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    About Argentina, this is a chart with the different european nationalities in times of the main immigration.
    Clearly the italians were the biggest diaspora followed by spaniards.
    Italian immigration, spaniard immigration and the colonial stock are the basis of the population.

    That's clear. What is not always clear is which imput is greater: Italic or Spanish?

    Colonial Argentina: obviously Spanish.

    Post Colonial Argentina: received slightly more Italic than Spanish imput.

    But as whole, if we sum up the Old Stock Spanish ancestry + the post-colonial Spanish imput, would it be greater than the Italian?

    Spanish imput is more widespread in the country as whole, from Buenos Aires to the more mestizos areas in the north, and the less populous Patagonia.

    But the Pampas region, which is the most populated part of the country, has strong Italic imput.

    So...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    About Argentina, this is a chart with the different european nationalities in times of the main immigration.
    Clearly the italians were the biggest diaspora followed by spaniards.
    Italian immigration, spaniard immigration and the colonial stock are the basis of the population.

    Sr.Wog, how much spaniard was an argentine in colonial times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    That's clear. What is not always clear is which imput is greater: Italic or Spanish?

    Colonial Argentina: obviously Spanish.

    Post Colonial Argentina: received slightly more Italic than Spanish imput.

    But as whole, if we sum up the Old Stock Spanish ancestry + the post-colonial Spanish imput, would it be greater than the Italian?

    Spanish imput is more widespread in the country as whole, from Buenos Aires to the more mestizos areas in the north, and the less populous Patagonia.

    But the Pampas region, which is the most populated part of the country, has strong Italic imput.

    So...?
    It's a good question.
    In my opinion adding the colonial stock, there is a draw/tie between italian and spaniard ancestry.
    But Argentano, who studied better the genetic issue thinks that spanish genetic is slightly bigger.
    He has a very interesting phrase: "-Argentina is very italian, but It's even more spanish".
    Probably he is right.
    And finally you are right about spanish ancestry is more spreaded.
    And italian one is more settled in Pampean Region.
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    Cool , I like Brazil would like to go one day to Rio de Janeiro . I know few brazilian words like Calaboca que delicia etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloGuys View Post
    Sr.Wog, how much spaniard was an argentine in colonial times?
    Oh well... It's quite difficult to find out, but I will try to do a research, at least historichal, may be we can find an estimate.
    But what I can say is until 1.860 before the big migration waves, the country had around 1.600.000/1.700.000 inhabitants, and most of them were at least partly of spanish ancestry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    Oh well... It's quite difficult to find out, but I will try to do a research, at least historichal, may be we can find an estimate.
    But what I can say is until 1.860 before the big migration waves, the country had around 1.600.000/1.700.000 inhabitants, and most of them were at least partly of spanish ancestry.
    If Argentina had never received post-colonial Euro imput, do you think most of the population would fall into the mestizo range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinus View Post
    Trust what I said.
    In some states, like Bahia, the SSA is stronger than the Euro imput, but even in cities like Ilhéus, in the same state, the Euro is stronger.
    Bahia is nearly 50% euro according to your source. That would make it almost identical to the Dominican Republic. The most remarkable difference is that the state is twice the native the DR is (14% vs. 6%-7%).

    Salvador the capital of state seems more African than the DR overall though. Likely that even slightly more African than Santo Domingo with more extremes. It came out 49%-50% African in 3 out of 4 studies. Santo Domingo is only like 45% African from what I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daven View Post
    Bahia is nearly 50% euro according to your source. That would make it almost identical to the Dominican Republic. The most remarkable difference is that the state is twice the native the DR is (14% vs. 6%-7%).

    Salvador the capital of state seems more African than the DR overall though. Likely that even slightly more African than Santo Domingo with more extremes. It came out 49%-50% African in 3 out of 4 studies.
    Do you notice a similar vibe in the culture/people of Bahia and Dominican Republic?

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