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Actually I'd bet they didn't use the La Hoya Celtiberians. While these were naturally closer to Basques than to other Iberians, they not only had more steppe-ancestry, but they plotted further away from the more uniquely-Basque individuals of today who have a greater overlap with ancient non-IE Iberians and even to Iberian BA populations. I circled the La Hoya samples in fuschia so they are easy to read.
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E-V22 - E-BY7449 - E-BY7566 - E-FT155550
According to oral family tradition E-FT155550 comes from a deserter of Napoleon's troops (1808-1813) who stayed in Spain and changed his surname.
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Maybe you are right, I didn´t see in the paper wich ancient references they used to their admixture models and neither where exactly did they get the modern individual samples, except for a brief "from Basque-speaking areas".
Which other different samples are just now avalaibles form Iberian IA with extra non-European considered inputs or Greek&Roman inputs?
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Every "Basque speaker" reference group is made with 11 individual samples, every "non Basque-speaker" labelled as Spanish peri-Basque has 10 individual samples.
190 individual samples in total, if I remember well.maybe I am wrong about the exact number of total samples, but near that.
Edit:i have not any problem with references per se, but with some conclusions and the general tone of the paper.
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It makes me laugh as foreigners surreptitiously and once again try to demean, belittle and belittle the immense and great history of Spain present the Basque factor of iron as if it had more merit not having participated in the general historical events of the rest of Spain. In fact, the Basques who have participated have been diluted with the rest during those events, those who have stayed at home have missed it.
It makes me laugh how foreigners surreptitiously and once again try to demean, belittle and belittle the immense and great history of Spain present the Basque factor of iron as if it had more merit not to have participated in the general historical events of the rest of Spain than to have participated. In fact, the Basques have participated and those who have participated have been diluted with the rest during those events, those who have stayed at home have missed out.
No country in Europe nor any region is a model of anything or the pattern of what should be. This is the world upside down. xd
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Precisely, you can see some non-IE ancient IA/BA individuals would fit pretty well as modern Basques, but using them as a reference would clearly lower the autochthonous output for the rest of the peninsula, which is why Olalde got 80% and this yields less. The result is basically a consequence of sampling/input. However I'm sceptical those samples would fit the rest of the peninsula even back in the day, particularly areas whom we know had different histories and spoke languages of a different branch.
If they actually did fit, then we're clearly missing something with a lot more steppe ancestry that these models aren't showing because Basques, particularly those closer to BA/IA Iberia, have very low amounts of it when compared to the average Spanish, despite the Roman, etc, layers of ancestry that we have and they virtually don't. If this happened then we have an even bigger question on our hands, because it hasn't been explored at all.
Edit: I should add that the biggest question mark remains the "Roman" reference, it's incredibly vague
Edit2: If these are the Olalde samples from the Roman period, then they are essentially autochthonous with a somewhat small East Med influence (likely Roman from Italy) with a layer that is defined as Morocco_LN, which was basically a IBM+Iberian_Farmer population. In the end it wouldn't say much about actual Roman colonisation and its impact, and makes for a poor and potentially misleading reference
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Ó, anciã, Mãe! Nossa mágoa é eternaGlobal25 PCA West Eurasia dataset close up plot
Foste esquecida, perdida
Vossa glória, vossa honra, banida
Mas vosso canto prevalece no fogo e na névoa agreste.
Destronada e abandonada,
Por bastardos humilhada,
Ao esquecimento lançada.
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