How is it that most Caribbean nations are actually quite democratic, stable and prosperous?

[Tooting Carmen]

Because British former colonies always do better.

Like I said to Andullero, that certainly doesn't fully explain it - after all, look at much of Africa and South Asia!

[Westbrook]

The problem with Haiti is not because they are black, the problem with Haiti is that Haiti should never have existed. I thought it was an exaggeration on the part of some Dominican members, but it is true, reading more about the history of the island Hispaniola I realized this, the island Hispaniola was just to be a Spanish speaking island, if it were not the dirty finger of the French.

[Alexandro]

Well, because they have reggae and dub, also copious amounts of marijuana. This is the recipe for success.

I don't actually know all that much about the Anglo Caribbean aside from their music or food, so this is not a question I can answer.

[Tooting Carmen]

Well, because they have reggae and dub, also copious amounts of marijuana. This is the recipe for success.

I don't actually know all that much about the Anglo Caribbean aside from their music or food, so this is not a question I can answer.

Like I said, in many ways they provide the best riposte to the bullshit from both Right and Left.

Right-wingers: "they are Black, so therefore doomed to despotism and war".
Left-wingers: "they are victims of British imperialism and slavery and can never escape that legacy".

[Lost Horizon]

You can't say that for Jamaica, or Haiti. Puerto rico is owned by the USA. And as for the Dominican republic? Tourism and migration plus real estate investors from abroad it's keep it's economy up and the corruption isn't that bad, or at least compared to how it use to be.

This may sound crazy but I reckon that because the caribbean nations are geographically small and that has something to do with it.

[sean]

How is it that most Caribbean nations are actually quite democratic, stable and prosperous? After all, according to the racial determinists, being predominantly Black nations means they are doomed to fail, and would all be just like Haiti itself. In fact, when it comes to democracy and good governance, most Caribbean countries don't fare that badly compared to much of Asia and even Europe, and likewise for general living standards.

Not true. They are mostly shitholes.

Spoiler!

Jamaica has one of the highest gun violence rates in the world, despite guns being heavily regulated. Truly remarkable corruption too. It's probably the police selling the guns to the criminals to terrorise the regular people. The majority of the poor in Jamaica are black, with colorism being a major factor in their culture.

Spoiler!

Those islands may be black-majority, but I bet the black per capita income of the residents of those islands is much lower than the overall nominal per capita income.

The islands have tiny populations and per capita figures end up being dramatically skewed by a relative handful of expatriates and other whites who have extremely high incomes.

Anguilla, Bermuda, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands are literally offshore tax heavens. They offer tax residency, similar to the Isle of Man in the Irish Sea.

The hedge fund guys all have their money in the Caribbean, where the islands are locked in race to the bottom to offer the most favourable tax treatment for capital gains income possible in hopes of spurring multiplier effects for their shitty economies.

Saint Kitts and Nevis for instance used to be the richest British Crown Colony per capita in the Caribbean as result of its slave-based sugar industry. It was declared bankrupt in 2006 with the failing sugar industry.

They revamped an existing citizenship-by-investment program into a money-spinning sensation. For just $250,000 or a $400,000 investment in local real estate, anyone in the world could become a full-fledged citizen of Saint Kitts and Nevis, even if they had never set foot in the country and never intended to.

The customers got visa-free travel to 132 countries, including most of Europe, and extremely favourable tax arrangements.

They made $100 million from the program, representing around 13 percent of the country’s entire GDP. Soon, other small island countries were lining up to sell their passports, creating a whole cottage industry worth an astonishing $2 billion per year.

When Antigua and Barbuda started selling citizenship in 2013, the profits were projected to account for a full quarter of government revenue. Not to mention the country dabbled in arms dealing.

They have a "security training school,” which the official report concluded was obviously intended “to train mercenaries and foreign guerillas in assault techniques and assassination.” It was widely suggested that they also intended to use the school to train Tamil rebels from Sri Lanka in exchange for help with entering the South Asian heroin trade.

They have also frequently profited by flipping recognition (and valuable votes in the UN and other international bodies) between China and Taiwan. Grenada supported Taiwan in 2003 but switched to China in 2005. The region had just been slated to host the 2007 Cricket World Cup, and China offered to fund the expensive new stadium that Grenada needed for the matches.

In 2004, the Caribbean island of Dominica switched recognition from China to Taiwan in return for $110 million in aid over the next six years. Dominica’s entire GDP is around $790 million per year.

Saint Lucia sided with Taiwan since 1984 but decided to recognise China in 1997. Naturally, China sweetened the deal with a big assistance package (and a new cricket stadium), but the Saint Lucians were underwhelmed when Chinese tourists failed to show up in any numbers. Additionally, Taiwan had run a very effective agricultural development program, which local farmers soon began to miss.

So, in 2007, Saint Lucia thanked China for all their help and promptly switched back to Taiwan, which they hoped would help “diversify agriculture, boost tourism, develop livestock, and create information technology learning centers” on the island.

The reason blacks in general (both Caribbean and Africa) 'prefer' Chinese investment should be obvious, unlike liberal Western countries China often leaves them the fuck alone culturally and doesn't act as a moral zeitgeist in their own countries.

Honestly, negroes just want two things: money/short term material gain and to be left alone. The long term debt thing won't even hurt them that much as China will just use it as an excuse to expand their military and build bases in these countries, and the black bourgeoisie governments won't care.

[gixajo]

After all, according to the racial determinists, being predominantly Black nations means they are doomed to fail, and would all be just like Haiti itself. In fact, when it comes to democracy and good governance, most Caribbean countries don't fare that badly compared to much of Asia and even Europe, and likewise for general living standards.
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which Caribbean nations do you mean exactly?

[gixajo]

They are not tho. But they have good marijuana and weather that helps relax things.

And tax havens and place of second residence or retirement for Americans and British with money.

And I don't know to what extent all those little island nations are really independent nations, their independence is mostly nominal, because they continue to have a huge dependence on their old metropolis.

Some reasons have also been explained by Sean too.

[Fincher]

They're tiny, had been european dependencies with presumably robust infrastructures for centuries up until fairly recently and get lots of revenue from tourism. Seems like it'd be hard to fuck that up

[Fincher]

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