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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearsolina View Post
    Yeah!
    It's weird, he is not active on forum for the long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSXD60 View Post
    Old Bulgarian = Old Church Slavonic
    Proto Bulgars were clearly Turkic probably They spoke Turkic
    But modern Bulgars and modern bulgar language are nothing do with proto bulgars of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Still nope. Use it wiser and further.
    You seem to be confusing Bulgar with Bulgarian. English makes this distinction, let's use it.

    Old Bulgarian is indeed Old Church Slavonic. Old Bulgarian remained in use in the Romanian Church for 200 years after Bulgarians stopped using it in daily life. Yes, Old Bulgarian is a Slavic language and should not be confused with the Turkic language of the Bulgars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    You seem to be confusing Bulgar with Bulgarian.
    Nope.
    You seem to confusing me with Altayli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    Nope.
    You seem to confusing me with Altayli.
    alright then, can you explain your point more clearly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    alright then, can you explain your point more clearly?
    Old Church Slavic was created by Cyril and Methodius, two Greeks, who spoke Slavic in local dialect of Sołuń, which is not even a part of Bulgaria. At that time, there was no distinct slavic languages - Poles with Russians were speaking normaly, and for linguists at the time it was one folk, one language, one land until XII century (as you can read in XIIth century chronicles). Even in XVII century there are descriptions which consider Polish, Russian, Czech and Croat almost as one and the same, and Ruthenian as Polish written in cyrillic). The more in IXth century there was one common slavic language, with thousands of local village variations - very tiny variations.

    It should be also remembered, that this language was made not for Bulgaria, or any other south slavic land, even neither for Macedonia (where he originated) but for MORAVIA. Cyryl, Methodius and their disciples, when they came to Moravia and where presenting slavic texts, they were fully understood by Moravians, and this language was practicaly sculpted there. Then they moved to East Slavs and were fully understood by them also, and this was the place, where Church Slavonic achieved the best form and had the best years, being finally standarized and in such form spreaded to the south.

    Btw, when you compare Bulgarian and Old Church Slavonic, then OCS is much more Old Polish, than Old Bulgarian. It was just a common slavic tounge at the time, Bulgarian didn't exist as separate language, so, saying, that it is Old Bulgarian is just a wishfull thinking. The dialect on which was based, do not exists at all today, and OCS has no living continuation, as it was a liturgical language by the most part of existance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vožd View Post
    But Bulgarians are half Slavic genetically, or at least over 1/3.
    But about half of them look like turks/tatars/gypos.

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