Some people say "races are socially constructed but ethnicities are not" but...

[reboun]

Some people say "races are socially constructed but ethnicities are not" but I think the other way around. Races and sub-races are biological but ethnicities are socially constructed in my opinion. For example, I guess there are many Germans who are in Northeast European cluster. When they find out they are not in Germanic cluster but in Northeast European cluster, I don't think they will begin to identify as Slavic or non-German. Another example, when I found out that I am most probably in Southern-European/Balkan cluster, I didn't give up identifying as Turkish.

Do you also think that races and sub-races are biological but ethnicities are socially constructed?

[Alexandro]

Sure. I personally only identify with the social construct of ethnicity though, reducing one down to their biological race and not the customs or culture they follow, language, history, etc, just seems rather....artless. It is not how I think about the world anyway.

[TheMaestro]

Well you Turks are heavilly mixed nationality.

[Rafael Passoni]

I have a Peruvian friend of 3rd generation Japanese descent and he identifies hinself as Japanese and nowadays he and his parents live in Japan and they are well integrated there on the last 20 years.
However I have a cousin son of Spaniards that was born in France and identifies hinself as French.

[Kyp]

I don't think the difference of northeast and northwest Europeans accounts for being different racially. You're missing the point.

[Hektor12]

If you think being in European cluster is better and you can identify with that in a way you like. We dont need anybody who thinks Turkish or any Turkic cluster is not the place that he or she belongs.

[Demis]

No, taxonomy is a pseudoscience; we don't know its connection with genetics. Also, the phenotype is not equivalent to the genotype. A Nordic Norwegian is genetically closer to an Alpine Norwegian than a Nordic Northern Italian. Ethnicity also includes culture, language, shared history, and holds a nation together. As a result, individuals with phenotype differences become even more attached to those in their ethnicities.

Let's give this example: A Nordic Greek can immigrate to England, and natives might not understand that he is a foreigner. But he can never be an ethnic British; he can only be culturally British.

Taxonomy cannot build ties across countries more than genetics, and genetics cannot build ties across countries more than culture does.

[reboun]

I don't think the difference of northeast and northwest Europeans accounts for being different racially. You're missing the point.

But the phenotypes are somehow different, right? For example, Northeast Europeans have more Baltids, Neo-Danubians, Gorids, East Nordids, North Pontids while Northwest Europeans have more Borrebies, Keltic Nordids, West Alpines, Faelids, Paleo Atlantids, North Atlantids.

[reboun]

If you think being in European cluster is better and you can identify with that in a way you like. We dont need anybody who thinks Turkish or any Turkic cluster is not the place that he or she belongs.

No, I really don't think being in European cluster is better. I would be really proud if I am in a Turkic cluster. Even if I am not, I am still a proud Turkish national.

[reboun]

No, taxonomy is a pseudoscience; we don't know its connection with genetics. Also, the phenotype is not equivalent to the genotype. A Nordic Norwegian is genetically closer to an Alpine Norwegian than a Nordic Northern Italian. Ethnicity also includes culture, language, shared history, and holds a nation together. As a result, individuals with phenotype differences become even more attached to those in their ethnicities.

Let's give this example: A Nordic Greek can immigrate to England, and natives might not understand that he is not a foreigner. But he can never be an ethnic British; he can only be culturally British.

Taxonomy cannot build ties across countries more than genetics, and genetics cannot build ties across countries more than culture does.

I agree, I am aware of the fact that taxonomy is a pseudoscience and a Nordic Norwegian is genetically closer to an Alpine Norwegian than a Nordic Northern Italian. However, I still culture is more important in some ethnic groups than genetic clusters are.