Wielbark Gothic samples on Global25!

[Token]

Why G2a?

That was quite a surprise indeed.

[Aren]

They don't look fully Scandinavian to me. And also really bad quality.

[Jana]

As expected they are heavily I1 and not R-U106. I always suspected eastern Germanic tribes were overwhelmingly I1 due to it's distribution in eastern Europe.
R-U106 seems to be more of a marker associated with spread of west Germanic languages.

[vbnetkhio]

So those with some minor Balto-Slavic drift are women.

Distance to: Migration:6
0.05075880 Hungarian
0.05299459 Afrikaner
0.05315469 Austrian
0.05365412 Slovakian
0.05398886 Moldovan_o

Target: Migration:6
Distance: 3.1787% / 0.03178658
31.4 Slovakian
19.0 Norwegian
14.4 Spanish_Soria
7.8 Macedonian
7.6 Mari
6.4 Lak
5.8 Shetlandic
2.4 Lithuanian_VA
1.8 Papuan
1.0 Ingrian
1.0 Lithuanian_SZ
0.8 Ju_hoan_North
0.4 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.2 Ethiopian_Ari



Distance to: Migration:5
0.04867107 Swedish
0.04875025 Danish
0.05093511 Dutch
0.05219045 German
0.05239872 Czech

Target: Migration:5
Distance: 3.7708% / 0.03770806
39.0 French_Pas-de-Calais
28.2 Lithuanian_SZ
20.0 Norwegian
4.6 Ingrian
3.0 Danish
2.4 Berber_MAR_TIZ
2.4 Rendille
0.4 Kosipe

Distance to: Migration:11
0.06230456 Danish
0.06254790 Slovakian
0.06364311 Swedish
0.06398654 Norwegian
0.06414696 Dutch

Target: Migration:11
Distance: 5.2201% / 0.05220117
49.4 Norwegian
38.0 Slovakian
5.4 Lithuanian_SZ
2.4 Estonian
2.2 Berber_MAR_TIZ
1.8 Ethiopian_Anuak
0.6 Bantu_Kenya
0.2 Sengwer


Distance to: Migration:4
0.04176711 Swedish
0.04422080 Icelandic
0.04543780 Danish
0.04700009 Norwegian
0.05133585 Shetlandic


Target: Migration:4
Distance: 3.6597% / 0.03659740
76.2 Icelandic
22.2 Latvian
1.6 Koinanbe




But she is fully Germanic

Distance to: Migration:10
0.04964445 Swedish
0.05425184 Norwegian
0.05575861 Icelandic
0.05649174 Danish
0.05749380 Finnish

Target: Migration:10
Distance: 3.9415% / 0.03941492
63.6 Swedish
16.4 Finnish_East
16.2 Icelandic
2.6 Miao
1.0 Naxi
0.2 Koinanbe


So generally those women are still mainly Scandic. I'm not sure if pre-Wielbark locals were like them or it is some mixed generation. But if yes, why on women side only? So rather pre-Wielbark locals were like them.

Migration:2 looks pulled towards Tollensee samples if you plot them together.
so maybe they absorbed a pre-Wielbark population which was similar to Tollensee?

[Lucas]

BTW Michał from Anthrogenica, posted it on other Polish forum.

Google translation:

It is very unlikely that such strongly Scandinavian (or in fact "Swedish") autosomal individuals will have all the Y chromosomes inherited from non-Scandinavian ancestors of local origin (ie of Oxywan, Przeworsk or Pomeranian origin). If these were some closely related male lines belonging to the same, not too old, G2a subclad, it could all be explained by the fact that these men belonged to some specific clan originating from Scandinavia, i.e. I mean something like a local founder effect (perhaps still in the homeland of the Goths in Scandinavia). Maybe it was just like that and maybe all four G2a men from Kowalewko belong to the same subclass below G2a-CTS796 >> Z726 >> Y3101 only not everywhere could it be confirmed by finding the appropriate SNP mutations. One would have to check if there are any results in the raw data that exclude the belonging of these men to the same G2a-Y3101 subclad (if not, they could actually be very closely related lines / people). After all, it's about four men from the same cemetery.

[vbnetkhio]

on a PCA based on WHG, EEF and Steppe, samples 7 and 2 have increased whg compared to all other BA/IA Scandinavian samples and plot with Tollense.
this can't be seen on a PCA based on modern drifts.



on a pca with more recent drifts, the female samples 5, 6 and 11 are outliers. as Lucas and Token already noticed.



could this be just because of the low quality of the samples?

[vbnetkhio]

this is the first model which gets picked for the Iberian Goths (average without the outlier which looks like a local Iberian ) , full sheet, reduce 2 populations,:

Target: Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
Distance: 1.3689% / 0.01368919 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
68.8 ITA_Rome_Renaissance
31.2 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky

just by removing ITA_Rome_Renaissance, this is the next model I got. (Goth - average of all Kowalewko samples)

Target: Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
Distance: 1.3809% / 0.01380901 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
66.6 Goth
33.4 BGR_IA

They obviously mixed with Dacians or Moesians before coming to Iberia. This would also mean either Dacians or Moesians were still like BGR_IA in the 4/5th century.

[Rethel]

As expected they are heavily I1 and not R-U106. I always suspected eastern Germanic tribes were overwhelmingly I1 due to it's distribution in eastern Europe.
R-U106 seems to be more of a marker associated with spread of west Germanic languages.

Too few samples to make conclusions like that.

[vbnetkhio]

the Chernyakhiv samples look like a massive mix of Goths, Scythians and all kinds of neighbouring populations.

Target: UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky:MJ37
Distance: 2.2804% / 0.02280409
44.0 Dacian/Thracian
28.8 Goth_Kowalewko
14.2 Baltic_EST_BA
11.6 Sarmatian_KAZ_Aigyrly
0.8 Scythian_UKR
0.6 HUN_Mako_EBA

Target: UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
Distance: 2.8456% / 0.02845629
36.2 Scythian_UKR
25.8 Goth_Kowalewko
18.6 Baltic_EST_BA
12.4 Dacian/Thracian
6.8 Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka
0.2 Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus

[Ion Basescul]

Migration:6 is Balkan mixed?

Distance to: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
0.03713259 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky:MJ37
0.05056589 Migration:6
0.06110733 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
0.07226973 Migration:5
0.08195554 Migration:11
0.08366696 Migration:12
0.08440195 Migration:8
0.08708099 Migration:7
0.09126075 Migration:10
0.09183847 Migration:2
0.09571984 Migration:4
0.09634304 Migration:9



Target: IonBasescul_23andme+LivingDNA
Distance: 3.3815% / 0.03381526
67.6 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Shyshaky:MJ37
18.8 Migration:6
8.8 UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
4.8 Migration:12