Throw dirt enough and some will stick. You didn't like what you see in genetics? You will not always like it, get used to it.
1- Being Turk or Macedonian or Serbian have nothing to do with creating Greek averages. I do not have nationalistic agendas behind my work, and I believe other people who work in this way also don't have. Therefore your response should be a simple "thank you" as without us there would be no Greek averages. In fact, it was actually some Greek members from Anthrogenica who distributed Greek samples labeled as Northeastern to all over Mainland, from Peloponnese to Macedonia as if they are actually from these regions and again, we corrected it by collecting samples both from the community and academic articles.
2- As you probably do not even understand what I pointed out I feel a need to explain it comprehensively. I claimed that there are two different groups in Greek Macedonia one being from the inner parts of Macedonia and consisted of Macedonian-like individuals, and the other is being the group that carries actual Greek input. The samples I posted were from inner parts and I specifically pointed it out. Besides, if I would like to draw attention to this I would open a thread and show people how Macedonians are similar to the Greek Macedonians. However, I posted them when vbnetkhio and xripkan asked me about it. If I would like to highlight the Slavic invasion, I would start with Thrace as it is the Northernmost region in Greece. However, I claimed Thracian Greeks are "Southern" than Macedonian Greeks. That's because the region, just like the Greek_Thessaloniki group, includes colonists from Southern parts of the Mainland and models in-between natives(Bulgarian-like) and Southern Greeks.
3- I do not believe Greek Macedonians are more Slavic than Macedonians. They seem to be more Slavic than South(Gevgelija and around) and Vardar group but they're in the same parallel overall. Vbnetkhio, on the other hand, mentioned historical registers and pointed out the richness of Slavic settlements in Greek Macedonia which is a fact. Plus, some of the tribes who settled in North Macedonia were arriving from Central Macedonia. So what's wrong here except you don't like it? We can not argue it because your dear national values challenges it? Sure. See the PCA and note the distinction of mentioned groups.
4- I'm not an etymological wizard, but I know that the area called Roumlouki is not the hearth of Macedonia and only 3% of the whole Macedonia, and already pointed out as a Greek region by me, belonged to the Greek_Thessaloniki group. Also, see the #6 Actual ethnic group section for clarification.
5- I will not be involved in phenotype nonsense, we are talking about genetics. I have a more Slavic look both from Macedonian and Greek Macedonian averages but I'm a "Turk" after all. You got the point.
6- Greek Macedonians and Slavic Macedonians were the same people 150 years ago. The ones who belonged to the Greek Church and Greek borders remained as Greeks while the rest continued to speak Slavic. If you ask me, a great portion of them was already bilingual throughout history. This is a regional fact that everyone who lives in there without specific agendas knows. If it was not, I would have no reason to defend this theory. I'm not Macedonian after all.
Population distribution of Macedonia when taking Church registers as a reference:
Actual ethnic distribution:
7- Macedonians might be speaking Slavic but they are still having Iron Age Balkan DNA that makes them "descendants of Alexander" with your words. Greek Macedonians who are from the inner parts of Macedonia are no different. Greek group who lies in coastal and Southwestern parts of Macedonia has an extra Greek input that roots in Southern Greece. In addition, I did not lie about that Bulgarian/Serbian-like individual. It was an outlier and was not representing the region, and it was posted because it was interesting. Beyond that, there is no other reason.
8- Finally, without having actual proof opening such a lynching thread is not a very good way for your agendas, and you make yourself like a fool. If you claim that the region I specified is not as I presented, then come with your own samples and provide us contact details so we can verify. If they are indeed legit samples and show differences from the ones I posted, then we can think of heterogeneity in the region but the ones I posted still remains a fact. 28 samples from such a little region can not be explained with an "outlier" label. Now you may prefer to trust or not to trust which I do not care about because I'm collecting these samples so I can use them for my own work. If I hadn't asked, I wouldn't post. Concluding, as I already spend enough time on this issue both while collecting and answering you, this is the only answer in this thread. Try not to twist my words and understand what I pointed out clearly, if you can't, read again. Cheers.
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