Most germanic region in the British Isles?

[Oliver109]

I think you're reading too much into it. In those studies W. Yorkshire/W.Central Eng actually seemed more Germanic shifted than the main English cluster, and in my personal view properly Germanic looking types tend to crop up more often in West Yorkshire and thereabouts than elsewhere. But my observations, as much as anyone elses, are irrelevant compared to the hard data. West Yorkshire and surrounds is also one of the most Germanic shifted parts of England from the gedmatch kits I've collected too.



Regional figures from the above image (continental likeness)

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Cornwall

French - 57.4%
German - 19.3%
Scandinavian - 14.1%
Belgian - 6.7%
Spanish/South French - 2.5%

Devon

French - 48.5%
German - 22.8%
Scandinavian - 17.7%
Belgian - 8.4%
Spanish/South French - 2.6%

Central/South England

French - 42.6%
German - 26.6%
Scandinavian - 20.3%
Belgian - 9.5%
Spanish/South French - 1.2%

Welsh Borders

French - 43.8%
German - 27.9%
Scandinavian - 17.6%
Belgian - 8.5%
Spanish/South French - 2.2%

West Yorkshire

German - 33.1%
French - 30.2%
Scandinavian - 22.5%
Belgian - 11.6%
Spanish/South French - 2.1%

Northumbria

French - 41.3%
German - 24.7%
Scandinavian - 22.8%
Belgian - 9.1%
Spanish/South French - 2.2%

Cumbria

French - 39.2%
German - 24%
Scandinavian - 22.9%
Belgian - 11.3%
Spanish/South French - 2.6%

South Wales

French - 45.95%
German - 26.8%
Scandinavian - 13.7%
Belgian - 8.5%
Spanish/South French - 5.15%

North Wales

French - 41.5%
German - 32%
Scandinavian - 13%
Spanish/South French - 7.1%
Belgian - 6%

Northeast Scotland

French - 42.25%
Scandinavian - 23.15%
German - 20.05%
Belgian - 10.8%
Spanish/South French - 3.7%

Southwest Scotland

French - 39.8%
German - 23.7%
Scandinavian - 23.1%
Belgian - 9.4%
Spanish/South French - 4%

Northwest Scotland

French - 54.5%
Scandinavian - 24.3%
German - 12.8%
Belgian - 5.8%
Spanish/South French - 2.9%

Orkney

French - 39.29%
Scandinavian - 33.23%
German - 15.86%
Belgian - 8.73%
Spanish/South French - 2.9%

It would not surprise me if Yorkshire was in general more Germanic, the CM types are certainly major in both countries but i think going by hair pigmentation especially the E Midlands seems more Nordic/Germanic, remember the farmer thread from Nottinghamshire, would you say that region has a big Germanic component compared to elsewhere?

[Oliver109]

All the regions except Orkney do not differ that drastically, Northumberland seems more or less close to S England yet the components as we saw in the recent farmers thread are a bit different.

[Creoda]

It would not surprise me if Yorkshire was in general more Germanic, the CM types are certainly major in both countries but i think going by hair pigmentation especially the E Midlands seems more Nordic/Germanic, remember the farmer thread from Nottinghamshire, would you say that region has a big Germanic component compared to elsewhere?

It has a large Germanic component, probably as much as anywhere else in Britain, but that was one example. I'm not really a fan of making definitive conclusions about different regions/countries based on a few group photos. People seem to keep ignoring the fact that most of England besides border areas forms one genetic cluster within Britain.

[Hialt]

I'm interested in this gray area of what delineates "germanicness" from something "non-germanic," genetically (or otherwise) speaking. I think all one can really say is blonde hair, blue eyes, and fair skin hue is the criteria for "germanicness," as nose shape, brow prominence, mouth face wrinkles varies across the board among blondes. That's why I use the word, "North Sea Peoples," as a more accurate way of who I am talking about. I tend to believe, in my understanding of these things, that the genetic make up of the Dutch, the Franks, the Anglo-Saxons, the Frisians, the "Jutes," the Normans is all basically the same. It is in my mind, at least. That is, they're the same people.

[Oliver109]

It has a large Germanic component, probably as much as anywhere else in Britain, but that was one example. I'm not really a fan of making definitive conclusions about different regions/countries based on a few group photos. People seem to keep ignoring the fact that most of England besides border areas forms one genetic cluster within Britain.

Well i think when you have a photo or selection of photos of roughly 80 people or more you can make more or less some sense about the general phenotypes in an area, that is the case with farmers especially(rugby teams are not in my book good to use as they tend to show more robust phenotypes) You are correct about the genetic cluster, does that mean that Brits from northern Scotland are closer to people from Essex than people there are to the Dutch?

[Creoda]

Well i think when you have a photo or selection of photos of roughly 80 people or more you can make more or less some sense about the general phenotypes in an area, that is the case with farmers especially(rugby teams are not in my book good to use as they tend to show more robust phenotypes) You are correct about the genetic cluster, does that mean that Brits from northern Scotland are closer to people from Essex than people there are to the Dutch?

I haven't seen any fine-scale studies on that tbh, most of them seem to be comparing British Isles populations to each other, but not against continentals.

Not thorough enough to draw conclusions but comparing English to British Isles, Dutch and some of Graham's early Scottish averages in K13:

Distance to: English
0.26115130 English_Midlands
0.84634508 English_Southwest
0.96441692 English_Southeast
1.14625477 English_North
1.24807852 Cornish
1.66346025 Welsh
1.91556780 South_East_Scotland
2.11957543 Lowland_Scotland
2.55695131 Dutch
2.84049291 Orcadian
2.88404230 Scottish
3.06643115 Dutch_Central
3.11709801 Irish_Leinster
3.12352365 Scots-Canadian
3.39501105 North_Highlands
4.19091875 Irish
4.35009195 Nah-EileananSiar
4.35086198 Dutch_North
4.38252210 Dutch_South
4.38548743 West_Scottish
4.57062359 Irish_Connacht
4.64175613 Irish_Munster
5.04566150 Irish_Ulster
5.91161568 West_Scotland

Distance to: English_Midlands
0.26115130 English
0.84988234 English_Southeast
0.86815897 English_Southwest
1.30495211 Cornish
1.33015037 English_North
1.80319161 Welsh
1.93038856 South_East_Scotland
2.29093867 Lowland_Scotland
2.62293728 Dutch
3.00416378 Orcadian
3.05766251 Scottish
3.17301119 Dutch_Central
3.27687351 Irish_Leinster
3.29290146 Scots-Canadian
3.57137229 North_Highlands
4.23217438 Dutch_South
4.35504305 Irish
4.46340677 Dutch_North
4.51192863 Nah-EileananSiar
4.57693129 West_Scottish
4.72878420 Irish_Connacht
4.80661003 Irish_Munster
5.21385654 Irish_Ulster
6.08954842 West_Scotland

Distance to: English_North
1.14625477 English
1.25952372 Welsh
1.33015037 English_Midlands
1.43279447 Lowland_Scotland
1.46731046 English_Southwest
1.78174072 Cornish
1.82107111 Orcadian
2.03548520 English_Southeast
2.05521288 South_East_Scotland
2.09351379 Scottish
2.28589151 Scots-Canadian
2.40545214 Irish_Leinster
2.42711763 Dutch
2.59225770 North_Highlands
2.66279928 Dutch_Central
3.30529878 Nah-EileananSiar
3.36096712 Irish
3.40317499 West_Scottish
3.62823649 Dutch_North
3.68585133 Irish_Connacht
3.78821858 Irish_Munster
4.23308398 Irish_Ulster
5.05312774 West_Scotland
5.40379496 Dutch_South

Distance to: English_Southeast
0.84988234 English_Midlands
0.96441692 English
1.52407349 English_Southwest
1.81311886 Cornish
1.86088689 South_East_Scotland
2.03548520 English_North
2.55749878 Welsh
2.58032944 Dutch
3.04090447 Lowland_Scotland
3.24772228 Dutch_Central
3.52292492 Dutch_South
3.66833750 Orcadian
3.71241162 Scottish
3.98449495 Irish_Leinster
4.03319972 Scots-Canadian
4.26759886 North_Highlands
4.70354122 Dutch_North
5.06510612 Irish
5.17132478 Nah-EileananSiar
5.30299915 West_Scottish
5.42839755 Irish_Connacht
5.53087696 Irish_Munster
5.92790013 Irish_Ulster
6.76533074 West_Scotland

Distance to: English_Southwest
0.75670338 Cornish
0.84634508 English
0.86815897 English_Midlands
1.43812378 Welsh
1.46731046 English_North
1.52407349 English_Southeast
1.97060904 Lowland_Scotland
2.65075461 South_East_Scotland
2.94469014 Scottish
2.96452357 Irish_Leinster
2.98641926 Orcadian
3.00690871 Scots-Canadian
3.28914883 Dutch
3.33043541 North_Highlands
3.75349171 Dutch_Central
4.06195766 Irish
4.28137828 West_Scottish
4.45634379 Nah-EileananSiar
4.49415176 Irish_Munster
4.49929995 Irish_Connacht
4.60102163 Dutch_South
4.83865684 Irish_Ulster
4.96822906 Dutch_North
5.83454368 West_Scotland

[Septentrion]

Genetically speaking, is it East Anglia, Shetland or other?

The areas of England with the highest frequency of Y - DNA haplogroup R1b - U106, which would mean eastern and southern England.

[Creoda]

Well i think when you have a photo or selection of photos of roughly 80 people or more you can make more or less some sense about the general phenotypes in an area, that is the case with farmers especially(rugby teams are not in my book good to use as they tend to show more robust phenotypes) You are correct about the genetic cluster, does that mean that Brits from northern Scotland are closer to people from Essex than people there are to the Dutch?

Just found this chart randomly on my computer, not sure what study it was from.