Most germanic region in the British Isles?

[Ayetooey]

Isn't Norb from SE England? I see it's separate region from East Anglia. What's the difference between the 2 genetically?

I think he’s half from Sussex half from Essex? (He can correct me). I doubt there’s any different genetically, more of a historical difference with east Anglia being a separate kingdom to Essex, Kent, Sussex (SE England) and with east Anglia being founded by Angiles and the latter kingdoms mainly by Saxons. Essex is grouped as part of the east of England in 2021 for statistical purposes but is historically part of the SE of England not east Anglia.

[Jana]

I think he’s half from Sussex half from Essex? (He can correct me). I doubt there’s any different genetically, more of a historical difference with east Anglia being a separate kingdom to Essex, Kent, Sussex (SE England) and with east Anglia being founded by Angiles and the latter kingdoms mainly by Saxons. Essex is grouped as part of the east of England in 2021 for statistical purposes but is historically part of the SE of England not east Anglia.

Thanks! His results are Belgian shifted too from what I've seen and well, he really looks clasically Germanic. He did say though that people who look like him aren't the norm in his region.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Parts of Yorkshire I’d say. East Anglia perhaps has higher Germanic than some other regions, but I would wager it also has more southern/french like admix and less beaker overall, causing it to drift further way from North Germanics. East Anglia also has the second lowest rate of light eyes in the British isles (only Cornwall is darker) and by far the lowest rates of red hair. A pure east Anglian with a very in-depth family tree on another anthro forum plots near Belgians.

First sentence is correct, but no way East Anglia has a lower rate of light eyes than parts of south/central England, and definitely not Wales or London area. The study you're referring to was blue eyes only, and was probably done on related SNP frequencies(like the red hair study you refer to) which is not in the slightest completely accurate. Red hair is probably correct, but that would probably mean more Germanicness.

Lundman had the northern part of East Anglia lighter eyed than most of England, and hair colour is probably more important as an indicator of Germanic admixture, where East Anglia is among the lightest haired.





I've seen some genetic evidence that Cumbria should be in the discussion, but the PCA I refer to also makes a strong case for South East England, depending on how you interpret it. I personally think SE Scotland save for Edinburgh should also be in the discussion. It could be Orkney or Hebrides, but I don't think it's Shetland as they had a lot of migration from mainland Scotland to erase the Norwegian presence, given the island became Scottish very late. I think it'd have to be a place with both Viking and Anglo-Saxon admixture, somewhere in East England or Cumbria.

[Ayetooey]

First sentence is correct, but no way East Anglia has a lower rate of light eyes than parts of south/central England, and definitely not Wales or London area. The study you're referring to was blue eyes only, and was probably done on related SNP frequencies(like the red hair study you refer to) which is not in the slightest completely accurate. Red hair is probably correct, but that would probably mean more Germanicness.

Lundman had the northern part of East Anglia lighter eyed than most of England, and hair colour is probably more important as an indicator of Germanic admixture, where East Anglia is among the lightest haired.





I've seen some genetic evidence that Cumbria should be in the discussion, but the PCA I refer to always makes a strong case for South East England, depending on how you interpret it. I personally think SE Scotland save for Edinburgh should also be in the discussion. It could be Orkney or Hebrides, but I don't think it's Shetland as they had a lot of migration from mainland Scotland to erase the Norwegian presence, given the island became Scottish very late. I think it'd have to be a place with both Viking and Anglo-Saxon admixture, somewhere in East England or Cumbria.

Cumbria has way too much historical and modern day overlap with Scotland to be a contender imo.

[Lannister]

I've seen some genetic evidence that Cumbria should be in the discussion, but the PCA I refer to also makes a strong case for South East England, depending on how you interpret it. I personally think SE Scotland save for Edinburgh should also be in the discussion. It could be Orkney or Hebrides, but I don't think it's Shetland as they had a lot of migration from mainland Scotland to erase the Norwegian presence, given the island became Scottish very late. I think it'd have to be a place with both Viking and Anglo-Saxon admixture, somewhere in East England or Cumbria.

On this paper they claim that Norse admixture is around 44% in Shetland. That's higher germanic than any other place in the UK I think.
https://www.nature.com/articles/6800661#bib14 (it's in the abstract)

[Creoda]

East Anglia maybe, but it would be nice to see how people from Shetland look, it's hard to find group pics of Shetlanders. Which region do you personally think is the most germanic genetically?

I don't think there's a great difference in Germanic ancestry across most of England, hence the big red cluster covering most of it in fine-scale studies. East Anglia is often said to have the most, which is probably true, however Northern England is the closest genetically to Scandinavians/North Dutch, at least among the hundreds of gedmatch kits I've collected. The Southeast is the most Germanic part of Scotland, formerly part of Anglo-Saxon Northumbria.

[Lannister]

I don't think there's a great difference in Germanic ancestry across most of England, hence the big red cluster covering most of it in fine-scale studies. East Anglia is often said to have the most, which is probably true, however Northern England is the closest genetically to Scandinavians/North Dutch, at least among the hundreds of gedmatch kits I've collected. The Southeast is the most Germanic part of Scotland, formerly part of Anglo-Saxon Northumbria.

What are your thoughts on Shetlands and Orkney, do you think they might be more germanic than East Anglia?

[Creoda]

What are your thoughts on Shetlands and Orkney, do you think they might be more germanic than East Anglia?

No, the most recent study I think showed them to be no more than about 25% Germanic.

The difference is that all their Germanic ancestry is from Norse.

[Lannister]

No, the most recent study I think showed them to be no more than about 25% Germanic.

The difference is that all their Germanic ancestry is from Norse.

You're talking about the POBI right? That was only on Orkney I think. Did you check the paper I posted to XP? There they claim that Shetland is around 44% Norse.

https://www.nature.com/articles/6800661#bib14

[Davystayn]

Yorkshire

"Yorkshire is most Anglo-Saxon region in the UK, DNA analysis suggests"

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...e%20of%2037%25.