America is doomed :

[Universe]

I have the impression some people in this sites WANT everything to be a disaster because that would justify their xenophobia.

Maybe, but I'd like to add a few things :
1)
Not everything is about homicide rate and gdp/capita, those are only two metrics. GDP/capita doesn't not necessarily mean much if a small % of people is holding large % of wealth.
2)
Being a honest, working class person today is probably harder than it was in 60s/70s/80s than, gdp/capita and homicide rates aside.
Nowadays in US you have some extremely wealthy people and a huge amount of working people who are either indebted or live paycheck to paycheck. Homicides were always largely black on black.
Maybe nowadays it's better to belong to the top 5% than in 1980, but who really cares? The rest don't have it easier.

3)
USA homicide and crime rate started to rise in second half of 20th century after civil rights and desegregation. In 00s it bounced back to pre-desegregation levels of 1950s. Not to mention at the beginning of the 20th century, USA had 1-2 / 100.000 / year homicide rate, same as western Europe. So USA homicide rate is still really high compared to 120 years ago.
4)
Hispanics immigrants and their descendants in USA have much lower avarage per capita income than do Whites (and lower than black-americans even). So I think it can be argued that hispanic immigration has a negative fiscal impact on USA.

[StaffOrder26]

I don't get it. Ain't half of Hispanic population white anyways?

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[Universe]

You people are nuts, America is stronger than ever

I agree, even crime statistics are way better than in past decades when Murica was 80-90% White and there is more equality overall. These racialist groups (from all colors and backgrounds) suffer from chronic paranoia and keep instigating fear. Terrorists...the whole bunch.

USA geopolitical power was at its peak in early 90s after cold war ended, after that it started to decline.

As for living standards, it's debatable:

A recent study showed that 80% of Americans are caught up in the chains of debt

https://www.ramseysolutions.com/debt...tudent%20loans

CareerBuilder found that 78% of U.S. workers are living paycheck to paycheck. Nearly 3 in 4 workers say they are in debt - and more than half think they always will be

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfri...h=69a8b11a4f10

The Boomer generation needed just 306 hours of minimum wage work to pay for four years of public college.
Millennials need 4,459.
The economy today is rigged against working people and young people. That is what we are going to change.

https://twitter.com/berniesanders/st...593794?lang=en

As absurd as it sounds, after 2014 USA life expectancy even started to decline:

After 2010, US life expectancy plateaued and in 2014 it began reversing, dropping for three consecutive years -- from 78.9 years in 2014, to 78.6 in 2017. This is despite the US spending the most on health care per capita than any other country in the world.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/26/h...udy/index.html

[Argentano]

3)
USA homicide and crime rate started to rise in second half of 20th century after civil rights and desegregation. In 00s it bounced back to pre-desegregation levels of 1950s. Not to mention at the beginning of the 20th century, USA had 1-2 / 100.000 / year homicide rate, same as western Europe. So USA homicide rate is still really high compared to 120 years ago.

What about 1908-1950 period? common dude usa homicide rate was higher than today in MOST of the last century.

4)
Hispanics immigrants and their descendants in USA have much lower avarage per capita income than do Whites (and lower than black-americans even). So I think it can be argued that hispanic immigration has a negative fiscal impact on USA.

Less than blacks? Not really

[Universe]

Spoiler!

What about 1908-1950 period? common dude usa homicide rate was higher than today in MOST of the last century.





Less than blacks? Not really

There are different ways to measure income of an ethnic group. What I said was based on per capita income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._capita_income
Blacks per capita income: 22,502
Hispanics per capita income: 20,590
Although you can argue that's not accurate because hispanics are on avarage a younger population than blacks. Median household income is a concept I don't fully understand yet, avarage per capita income sounds more simple. As I said I don't fully understand the concept, but if we have two households: A and B, A makes 50k a year, B makes 55k a year, but househould B has 4 children and A only 2, then hosehould A is wealthier even if household B has higher income.

[Argentano]

There are different ways to measure income of an ethnic group. What I said was based on per capita income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._capita_income
Blacks per capita income: 22,502
Hispanics per capita income: 20,590
Although you can argue that's not accurate because hispanics are on avarage a younger population than blacks. Median household income is a concept I don't fully understand yet, avarage per capita income sounds more simple. As I said I don't fully understand the concept, but if we have two households: A and B, A makes 50k a year, B makes 55k a year, but househould B has 4 children and A only 2, then hosehould A is wealthier even if household B has higher income.

your wikipedia page i posting numbers that are different to the original source. Here the source data for 2019 (official USA numbers)



https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...true&moe=false

[Argentano]

There are different ways to measure income of an ethnic group. What I said was based on per capita income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._capita_income
Blacks per capita income: 22,502
Hispanics per capita income: 20,590
Although you can argue that's not accurate because hispanics are on avarage a younger population than blacks. Median household income is a concept I don't fully understand yet, avarage per capita income sounds more simple. As I said I don't fully understand the concept, but if we have two households: A and B, A makes 50k a year, B makes 55k a year, but househould B has 4 children and A only 2, then hosehould A is wealthier even if household B has higher income.

your wikipedia page i posting numbers that are different to the original source. Here the source data for 2019 (official USA numbers)



https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...true&moe=false

[Universe]

your wikipedia page i posting numbers that are different to the original source. Here the source data for 2019 (official USA numbers)



https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...true&moe=false

The numbers are different because income per household and income per capita are different concepts.