Gracile Mediterranean = Pigmented Nordic

[Septentrion]

I don't know, but another hint is this: one can usually guess a brunet/brown-eyed Scandinavian that has Nordic features as being from that region and often enough also a blue-eyed/blond Italian that has Mediterranean features as being Southern, so pigmentation, although the most obvious trait, seems second to bone structure on a second look (exceptions aside)

Correct. Remember that within the Hallstatt Nordid, is a small minority which is darker - haired, darker - eyed and darker - skinned but retains Nordid morphology. Thus this small minority actually looks Atlantid. This small Hallstatt Nordid “brunet” minority is so not due to admixture, which is different in the case of the Atlantid racial type.

[Septentrion]

I was wondering what's the difference between Mediterranean and Nordic beside the obvious pigmentation.

The Gracile Mediterranean is the most gracile type in Europe. It is also called Mediterranean Proper. In other words, it is more gracile than any other racial type found in European populations.

[MechtoidAfalouHG]

The Gracile Mediterranean is the most gracile type in Europe. It is also called Mediterranean Proper. In other words, it is more gracile than any other racial type found in European populations.

Is Mediterranean even a real race? I don’t see how Iranids, European med types, and North African med types can be lumped together into “Mediterranean” race when these people come from different ancestral groups that were separated from each other for thousands of years.

[Tongio]

Mediterranean have shorter nose and rounder more baby like forehead , I would say nordics have deep set eyes and a more defined jawline todo.

[Luso]

Mediterranean have shorter nose and rounder more baby like forehead , I would say nordics have deep set eyes and a more defined jawline todo.

I got a long nose, a pretty robust face, and deep-set eyes which is in accordance with your definition of "nordics", but I'm still obviously med.

[Nurzat]

other than some common ancestry, they also have different ancestry that brings different traits.

I did this comparison - Eurogenes G25 standard calculator based on Global25 coordinates:

[Septentrion]

Is Mediterranean even a real race? I don’t see how Iranids, European med types, and North African med types can be lumped together into “Mediterranean” race when these people come from different ancestral groups that were separated from each other for thousands of years.

By the way, not all North Africans and Middle - Easterners are Mediterranean. There are also different Mediterranean types. The Gracile Med is a northern Mediterranean centered in Iberia, northern Italy, southern France not in Northern Africa or the Middle East.

[Tongio]

If you have this traits i dont think you are simply Med, maybe Atlanto Med no?Besides I omited the pigmentation of my definition you know type two (sometimes 1 or 3 in ftzpatrick scale )skin ,light hair and eyes.

[Septentrion]

Is Mediterranean even a real race? I don’t see how Iranids, European med types, and North African med types can be lumped together into “Mediterranean” race when these people come from different ancestral groups that were separated from each other for thousands of years.

Yes and no. Meaning the Mediterranean is a subrace of the Europid centered in the Mediterranean region of the world from whence the name.The South Mediterranid more common in Northern Africa, can be seen occassionally in parts of Southern Europe. However the Gracile Med is alot more common. The Iranid phenotypes do not belong to the Mediterranean subrace, rather to the Orientalid Race. Many times, there is a confusion between the Mediterranean and Orientalid, but these are not the same.

[Septentrion]

I was wondering what's the difference between Mediterranean and Nordic beside the obvious pigmentation.

Mediterranean subrace:
Head length - 195
Head width - 150
Bigonial - 101
Face height - 123

Nordic subrace:
Head length - 202
Head width - 151
Bigonial - 106
Face height - 130

Alpine subrace:
Head length - 189
Head width - 159
Bigonial - 110
Face height - 123

A country in which these three Europid subraces are well represented in their ethnic populations is France.
Estimates : Nordic (30%), Alpine (30%), Mediterranean (20%).