No, southern Europeans have no reason to want to be northern Europeans.

[Faklon]

I know you refer to the Southern Euros frequenting the forum, but it's not true either. Maybe some of them do, but most don't.

I personally would like to be either proper Atlanto-Med if anything, if I wasn't Pontid (and a good example as I've been told by practically everyone).

Plus, I'd say most suggest we're equidistant, our own thing.

teh pelasgid cope

Pontid means Atlanto-med with more cranial capacity (high head), you wish you were Pontid or Anatolian Lappid.

[renaissance12]

Look at the Nobel prizes and inventions/achievements. British/German/Swedish/USA are on top with a bit french and Italian.
Spain was 800 yrs under Arab rule and only had a short flourishing during colonialism 16/17th century until the Armada got crushed by smaller British ships.

98 % of the inventions have nothing to do with nobel prize...

[renaissance12]

Where they got the technology is a little irrelevant, fact is that Russia was way ahead of the Med and most of east Asia when it came to the space race, next you'll be saying that Russia and western Europe got their knowledge of metal technology from the Med way back in the Neolithic.

Space technology>>>>>>>car technology

Airbus is primarily French, American, British, N Euro, what parts of the plane are even produced in Spain? and the vast amount of development was carried out in Toulouse or north of there.

Italy and Germany and Japan can't have their own aereo space industry...

[Universe]

Myopia didn't have the same prevalence in times when populations were mostly rural.

Folks used to can relate it to reading and the use of the computer that until recently were indeed practises of the intellectually sane autist. With Tik Tok on the rise, I'm not so sure about future.

Maybe, it still depends on genetics too.

[Hamilcar]

According to this website Black-Americans are 7-8% myopic, Whites are 14%.
Other studies show East-Asians are much more prone to myopia than Europeans:
https://www.reviewofoptometry.com/ar...yopia-severity
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10...81-13-8491-2_2

It may be influenced by lifestyle as well as genetics, but genetics definitely contribute to it to an extent, that is what studies show.
https://jmg.bmj.com/content/37/3/227.full
Quote from the link:

Different studies can use different methodology to determine short-sightedness.

In any case, of course I'm not 100% sure about these claims, but it is definitely something that should be discussed and studied further.

Yes but what you tried to imply (europeans/east asians at the top) doesn't seem to be confirmed. This is also what your sources say :

In the Tehran Eye Study, the prevalence of myopia using cycloplegic autorefraction was 29.3% among young adults aged 16–25 years [36]. In Australia, the prevalence of myopia was 20.4% in a population-based cohort using cycloplegic autorefraction in mostly White subjects aged 19–22 years [60].

In the Sydney Adolescent Vascular and Eye Study (SAVES), myopia was present in 30.8%, with 59.1% in East Asian, 17.7% in European Caucasian, and 34.9% in other ethnicity group;

In Europe, the prevalence of myopia and HM (SE <−6.50 D) among 4681 Danish conscripts was 12.8% and 0.3%, respectively [61].

As you can see many countries like India, pakistan or Iran have higher rates of myopia than many european countries (Nigeria even has more than Greece) :





also they don't really seem sure about which factor predominates in one study it's genetic in the other it's environmental :

In one study conducted in China, the prevalence of myopia in postgraduates was higher than in undergraduates [56], suggesting that associated factors, such as higher school achievement and prolonged near-work and less outdoor time, might contribute to the increasing prevalence of myopia

[Ruggery]

Ruggery, are u of solely germanic stock? Or do u have some Iberian/Italian heritage?.

If I have those 2, and mixed they are a little more than Germanic.

[Ruggery]

They did settle in America indeed.

That is not proven.

[Ruggery]

Yeah funnily enough most of the Nordicists on this forum are Southern European.

Who do you mean? Sean is Canadian and Odin American(US)

[lei.talk]

I love how this thread is quite literally a fight between Nordicists and Mediterranists.

[Universe]

Yes but what you tried to imply (europeans/east asians at the top) doesn't seem to be confirmed. This is also what your sources say :
As you can see many countries like India, pakistan or Iran have higher rates of myopia than many european countries (Nigeria even has more than Greece) :
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/IKQWmCJ.png[/IMG

That would mean the hypothesis is incorrect.
There are other things that could support hereditarianism - for example, transracial adoption studies which exist.

also they don't really seem sure about which factor predominates in one study it's genetic in the other it's environmental :

Both genetics and environment contribute to it, that's what most studies say. Prevalence of myopia being higher among postgraduates than among undergraduates can also be because people with higher IQ myopic genes are more likely to succeed in education.