No, southern Europeans have no reason to want to be northern Europeans.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

What I dont get is why Southerners constantly have to create threads like these (or things like "which is better south or north/south or east Europe, also constantly attack north and eastern Europeans as Mongols, inferiour savages etc), if they are confident in what they are. Dont see northern or eastern Europeans claim those things or start such threads, only ever in defense for being attacked. Southern Europeans, you`ve contributed tons of good things, as well as great civilizations and cultures to Europe and the whole world, but your constant need to rub that into others faces or try to negate and deny our achievements shows insecurity but also a lack in modesty.
Everything is fucked up beyond imagination right now on this planet, we all are facing complete destruction of everything we hold dear, so the matter of who are the best Europeans is a hilariously small problem. One can still figure that out, when everything else is fixed.

[Samnium]

It still has enough Nordic and Alpine component to make it stand well and above the south in achievement, Florence is in no way the south anthropologically and no one said that pure Nordics are what is needed to advance civilisation, an ideal mix of Nordic, Alpine/cro magnon, a bit of Med is what does it as is seen in Bavaria especially but no one can deny that without that significant Nordic component civilisation is impoverished.

What are you saying ? Tuscans are in majority Med like any italian, even Northern Italians are Med genetically and anthropologically it is very present. I've been many times in Tuscany.

Also Tuscans have a bit more Northern DNA than southerners, but not that much. Even N.Italians are usually closer to their southern counterparts than to germans or austrians....

[Oliver109]

so based on a northern European award you think there is a genetic component that northern Europeans just come out more intelligent?

Lol so why do you think they were biased? if they had a real Nordic bias they would have given Finland more awards than Italy.

[Centurion]

Nordic technologies came after greeks and romans taught them some little things. This is a fact, the West World we have today started in Ancient Greece and in the Roman Empire.

You seem to have a problem with chronology my dear. Between the Nordic achievements in technology in the modern times and the peak of the Romans and Greeks civilization, a lot of time had passed. Even if we admit that it was helpful at the beginning, Nordic civilization became so much more technology advanced compared with Greece and Rome that they were actually meaningless during most part of the process.

Rome, anyway, was mostly stagnant in term of technology. Nordic civilization were far more vigorous. And it's unlikely that the Ancient Greeks scientists were pure med genetically.

Like I said some days ago, here on TA the disconnection between tale and reality is so bizarre that people can sustain some bizarre lies just because "it's how I want to perceive the world".

Yes, and at the top of this there's those Southern Euros who behave like if we were still at the time of Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome apogee or still during the Siglo de Oro and that Northern people were just cave men.

[Luso]

Lol so why do you think they were biased? if they had a real Nordic bias they would have given Finland more awards than Italy.

look at my edited comment. If northern Europeans just somehow comeout more intelligent than southern europeans, then why were they barbaric, uncivilized peoples until the ancient greeks and romans spread their technologies to them? Why didn't the northern Europeans just figure all the ancient's ideas, inventions, discoveries on their own?

To answer: yes I do believe it has a good amount of bias because the award was created in 1895, and gave a large amount of awards early on to neighboring countries. The connections of Sweden to southern Europe wasn't even that large especially during this time.

[Insuperable]

so based on northern European countries winning a northern European award more than their southern counterparts you come to the conclusion that there is must be a genetic component that makes northern Europeans come out more intelligent?

It has nothing to do with a northern European winning a northern European award, at least to every man who has some knowledge about the history of discoveries in the last century and half.

Then why didn't they just do everything the ancient romans and ancient greeks did, and way before?

Simpleton question. There could be a myriad of reasons.

P.S. I am southern nigga too.

[lustermoo]

It’s interesting how certain Europeans will get shamed for their lightness or darkness and feel rightfully attacked and then the next day call black people the n word Pakistani p**i and MENAs shitters or terrorists etc
It boggles the mind

[Luso]

It has nothing to do with a northern European winning a northern European award, at least to every man who has some knowledge about the history of discoveries in the last century and half.

I'm responding to Oliver who deadass believes northern Europeans have some genetic component that makes them smarter than southern euros from birth. To "prove" this he sent a map showing countries that have won the noble prize the most

Simpleton question. There could be a myriad of reasons.

P.S. I am southern nigga too.

How is it a simpleton question if you completely avoided it? It's a good question... how can a nordicist say southern euros are inferior genetically and not be the forefathers of all of their modern-day technological successes? So let's just forget their dark age history of being barbarians before the diffusion of civilization by the Romans? No way.

[Samnium]

Prize Nobel as a metrics of innovation and innovation is ridiculous.

There have been many histories of people stripped from a Nobel Prize although they were the person at the center of the discovery (MRI invention), not even saying that including Peace and Litterature prizes is doubtful if you want to talk about sciences and innovation.

Also, many of these Nobel Prize were of Israelite origin. Especially in Germany. You have to take that in account. They are not Northern European and account for a very high amount of Nobel Prizes.

Finally, the nobel prize can't be considered as a good metrics because you have only a restricted picture of some outstanding discoveries. Not all revolutionary advancements have been awarded...

[Damião de Góis]

I think the swedish awards are important for some people. When a random scientist makes a discovery the first thing he thinks is: "I wonder if the swedes will like this. Maybe they will give me a lolipop."

Charles Murray's Burger King Menu is also a good one: