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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post
    Is your indifference towards Palestinians a way to affirm your rejection of Islam ?

    Because I do observe a pro-Zionist bias among many ex-Muslims (especially diaspora Iranians), as if, like eating pork in public, it's a required proof to show that "for sure we left Islam and we don't have anything to do with these backward violent people" ?
    Nope it has nothing to do with it. But I understand what you mean.

    Of course, I am against the violence, but it's not because this violence against a Muslims. I am against because they're a human. But still it’s none of my business, I don't choose a side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    Crimes? Why do Palestinians used their own children as cannon fodder and then blame Israelis for defending their land?
    They don't use their children as cannon fodder. That's more propaganda. IDF snipers literally target Palestinian children's knee caps and groin. There is footage of IDF snipers having a good laugh at shooting children.

    What the Israelis want is more land. Even Trump has stated recently Netanyahu didn't want peace. It's obvious they didn't want peace if they were still building illegal settlements when talking about peace.

    As an American Southerner I see how the Palestinians are like the Yankees.
    Are you kidding me? Yankees invaded and conquered the south and made Whites second class citizens during Reconstruction. It's the Palestinians who were invaded. It's the Palestinians who are second class citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    They don't use their children as cannon fodder. That's more propaganda. IDF snipers literally target Palestinian children's knee caps and groin. There is footage of IDF snipers having a good laugh at shooting children.

    What the Israelis want is more land. Even Trump has stated recently Netanyahu didn't want peace. It's obvious they didn't want peace if they were still building illegal settlements when talking about peace.



    Are you kidding me? Yankees invaded and conquered the south and made Whites second class citizens during Reconstruction. It's the Palestinians who were invaded. It's the Palestinians who are second class citizens.
    Wrong on all counts. Palestinians are the ones pushing propaganda. Yes, I think Israel is more like the South. It's based .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richmondbread View Post
    Wrong on all counts. Palestinians are the ones pushing propaganda. Yes, I think Israel is more like the South. It's based .
    Is Trump pushing Palestinian propaganda when he says Netanyahu didn't want peace?

    Is this man stealing this woman's property based? He says it himself. He's a New Yorker who decided to come to Jerusalem and steal a woman's property.



    I can't hold it against Zionists for thinking Evangelical Christians are useful idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueState View Post
    Jews always lived in peace under Muslim control : Holocaust and pogroms happened in the European christian world
    A classic Muslim lie.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_a...n_Tripolitania
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_a...riots_in_Egypt
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Cairo_bombings
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_a..._riots_in_Aden
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans%27_Decree
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Mah...hr's_visit
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_Baghdad_hangings
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    An account by Solomon Cohen dated January 1148 CE describes the Almohad conquests:

    Abd al-Mumin ... the leader of the Almohads after the death of Muhammad Ibn Tumart the Mahdi ... captured Tlemcen [in the Maghreb] and killed all those who were in it, including the Jews, except those who embraced Islam. ... [In Sijilmasa] One hundred and fifty persons were killed for clinging to their [Jewish] faith. ... One hundred thousand persons were killed in Fez on that occasion, and 120,000 in Marrakesh. The Jews in all [Maghreb] localities [conquered] ... groaned under the heavy yoke of the Almohads; many had been killed, many others converted; none were able to appear in public as Jews.[14]
    Once a rumor began to circulate that the Jewish vizier in Fez, Aaron Batash, struck a Muslim woman, there were public outcries amongst Fez's Muslim population. They demanded the Mufti (Islamic legal expert) to issue a Fatwa (legal opinion) to permit the killing of Jews in the name of the Allah. The Mufti had no choice but to make these killings permissible. Thus, began the 1465 Moroccan revolt, one of the worst pogroms in Morocco's history.[23]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1465_Moroccan_revolution

    On November 30, 2012, prominent Tunisian imam Sheikh Ahmad Al-Suhayli of Radès, told his followers during a live broadcast on Hannibal TV that "God wants to destroy this [Tunisian] sprinkling of Jews and is sterilizing the wombs of Jewish women."
    Under French rule, some Muslim anti-Jewish riots still occurred, as in 1897 in Oran.[16]
    On March 2, 1974, the bodies of four Syrian Jewish women were discovered by border police in a cave in the Zabdani Mountains northwest of Damascus. Fara Zeibak 24, her sisters Lulu Zeibak 23, Mazal Zeibak 22 and their cousin Eva Saad 18, had contracted with a band of smugglers to flee Syria to Lebanon and eventually to Israel. The girls' bodies were found raped, murdered and mutilated. The police also found the remains of two Jewish boys, Natan Shaya 18 and Kassem Abadi 20, victims of an earlier massacre.[58] Syrian authorities deposited the bodies of all six in sacks before the homes of their parents in the Jewish ghetto in Damascus.[59]
    The Jews suffered much during the great conquests of Moulay Rashid, who united the separate parts of Morocco into one single state, and wished to add to it all northwest Africa. According to Chénier, when Al-Raschid took the city of Marrakech in 1670, at the desire of the inhabitants he caused the Jewish counselor and governor of the ruling prince Abu Bakr, together with the latter and his whole family, to be publicly burned, in order to inspire terror among the Jews.[46] He also tore down the synagogues of the city, expelled many Jews from the Berber region of Sus and treated them tyrannically. His demands on the Jews in the way of taxes were enormous; he had them collected by Joshua ben Hamoshet, a rich Jew, to whom he was under obligations for various services and whom he appointed chief over the Jews. He even ordered the Jews to supply wine to the Christian slaves.
    The accession to the throne of Yazid, on the death of Mohammed III in 1789, led to a terrible massacre of the Moroccan Jews, having refused him their support in his fight with his brother for the succession. As a punishment the richer Jews of Tetouan, at his entry into the city, were tied to the tails of horses and dragged through the city. Many were killed in other ways or robbed. Jewish women were raped. The Spanish consul, Solomon Hazzan, was executed for alleged treachery, and the Jews of Tangier, Asilah, and Alcazarquivir were condemned to pay a large sum of money. Elijah, the minister of the former king, who had always opposed Yazid in the council, quickly embraced Islam to avoid being persecuted. He died soon after. The cruelty of the persecutors reached its climax in Fez. In Rabat, as in Meknes, the Jews were ill-treated. In Mogador, strife arose between the Jews and the city judge on the one hand, and the Moorish citizens on the other; the dispute was over the question of Jewish garb. Finally the Jews were ordered to pay 100,000 piasters and three shiploads of gunpowder; and most of them were arrested and beaten daily until the payment was made. Many fled beforehand to Gibraltar or other places; some died as martyrs; and some accepted Islam.[53] The notables and the Muslim masses then rose to intervene on behalf of the Jews. They hid many of them in their houses and saved a great many others. In Rabat, the governor Bargash saved the community from the worst.[54] The sanguinary events of the year 1790 have been poetically described in two kinot for the Ninth of Ab, by Jacob ben Joseph al-Mali? and by David ben Aaron ibn Husain.[55]

    From the second half of this century various accounts of travels exist which give information concerning the external position of the Jews. Chénier, for example, describes them as follows:

    The Jews possess neither lands nor gardens, nor can they enjoy their fruits in tranquillity. They must wear only black, and are obliged when they pass near mosques, or through streets in which there are sanctuaries, to walk barefoot. The lowest among the Moors imagines he has a right to ill-treat a Jew, nor dares the latter defend himself, because the Koran and the judge are always in favor of the Mohammedan. Notwithstanding this state of oppression, the Jews have many advantages over the Moors: they better understand the spirit of trade; they act as agents and brokers, and they profit by their own cunning and by the ignorance of the Moors. In their commercial bargains many of them buy up the commodities of the country to sell again. Some have European correspondents; others are mechanics, such as goldsmiths, tailors, gunsmiths, millers, and masons. More industrious and artful, and better informed than the Moors, the Jews are employed by the emperor in receiving the customs, in coining money, and in all affairs and intercourse which the monarch has with the European merchants, as well as in all his negotiations with the various European governments.[56]
    Another event caused to a population decrease among the community was the two-year exile of the Jews from the mellah in 1790–1792, during the brief reign of sultan Malawy yazid . The whole community was forced to leave to Qasba Shrarda which was on the other side of Fez. This time the population of the Jews around the mellah was at the lowest stage of all time, and did not manage to "heal" itself. A mosque was built on the site of the main synagogue, under the order of yazid, tomb stones from a near Jewish cemetery was used to built the mosque, and the cemetery itself was moved to the entrance of the Muslim quarter along with the bones of the saintly rabbis. The exile lasted around for two years, and only after the death of yazid, the qadi of Fez ordered the mosque to be torn down and the Jews were permitted to return to their quarter.[7][8][49]
    In the 18th century, in the period between the Saadi and 'Alawi dynasties, the Jewish community of Oufrane, which predated Islam in Morocco and spoke Tamazight and Arabic, came into contact with a "mad sorcerer" seeking the support of Yazid.[59] Oral tradition tells how this "sorcerer," along with armed bandits who had been marauding through the Sous valley, forced a group of 60 Jews at a sūq to either convert or die.[59] The local population was able to save ten of them, and the other fifty decided to all enter a fire rather than have any one of them convert. The site became revered as a holy place by both Jews and Muslims.[59]
    According to a statistical report of the AIU, for the years 1864–80 no less than 307 Jews were murdered in the city and district of Morocco, which crimes, although brought to the attention of the magistracy upon every occasion, remained unpunished.[78]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Fez_riots
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Casablanca_bombings
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_a...n_Tripolitania

    After the Six-Day War between Israel and its Arab neighbours, Libyan Jews were once again the target of anti-Jewish riots. During these attacks, rioters killed 18 people and more were injured.[13]
    By the time Colonel Muammar Gaddafi came to power in 1969, roughly 100 Jews remained in Libya. Under his rule, all Jewish property was confiscated, and all debts to Jews were cancelled. In 1970, the Libyan government declared the Day of Revenge, which celebrated the expulsion of Jews and Italians from Libya, a national holiday. Despite emigration being prohibited, most of the remaining Jews succeeded in escaping the country and by 1974, only 20 Jews remained in Libya.[13]
    Jews were forced to apostasy by Caliph Abd al-Mu'min. Many massacres took place, despite many formal conversions by the pronunciation of the Shahada.
    At the end of the eighteenth century, Hammouda Pasha denied Jews the right to acquire and possess real estate properties, while the learning of literal Arabic and the use of the Arabic alphabet was also prohibited during this period. Finally, the behavior of the Muslim population towards the communities varied from the will to rigorous application of the dhimma by the Ulama to the absence of hostility of the rural population, marginalized urban fringes but assured of impunity.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allahdad
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batto_Sfez_Affair
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiraz_blood_libel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghriba_synagogue_bombing

    Bear in mind Jews (and other minorities) only held rights in Iran from 1906.

    Four hundred Jews were injured in violent demonstrations in Egypt in 1945 and Jewish property was vandalized and looted. In Libya, 130 Jews were killed and 266 injured. In December 1947, 13 Jews were killed in Damascus, including 8 children, and 26 were injured. In Aleppo, rioting resulted in dozens of Jewish casualties, damage to 150 Jewish homes, and the torching of 5 schools and 10 synagogues. In Yemen, 97 Jews were murdered and 120 injured.[28]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1934_Constantine_riots

    By 1975 the government had seized all but one of the country's synagogues and converted them to mosques or libraries.[33]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956%E...ons_from_Egypt

    The main synagogue in Beirut was bombed in the early 1950s, and the Lebanese Chamber of Deputies witnessed heated debates on the status of Lebanese Jewish army officers. The discussions culminated in a unanimous resolution to expel and exclude them from the Lebanese Army.[10] The two Jewish army officers were discharged
    The Lebanese Civil War, which started in 1975, was much worse for the Lebanese Jewish community, and some 200 were killed in pogroms. Most of the 1,800 remaining Lebanese Jews migrated in 1976, fearing that the growing Syrian presence in Lebanon would restrict their freedom to emigrate.[12] In 1982, during the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, 11 leaders of the Jewish community were captured and killed by Islamic extremists.
    Jews were targeted in the later years of the Lebanese civil war. Isaac Sasson, a leader of the Lebanese Jewish community, who was kidnapped at gunpoint March 31, 1985, on his way from the Beirut International Airport, after a trip to Abu Dhabi. Earlier, kidnappers had also seized Eli Hallak, 60-year-old physician; Haim Cohen, a 39-year-old Jew; Isaac Tarrab; Yeheda Benesti; Salim Jammous; and Elie Srour. Cohen, Tarrab, and Srour were killed by their captors, a Shiite Muslim group called The Organization of the Oppressed on Earth, which is believed to have been part of or had links to Hezbollah. The others' fates remain unknown, but they are believed to have also been killed.
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    Israel ofc. Palestinians are Arabs who moved there after the expulsion of Israelites. Jews need their homeland and Palestinians can move back to Arabia or choose plenty of countries to live in.

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    Israel. It is good that they kill radical Muslims.

    So bad that Saudi Arabia is Israeli ally. Israel would have a job against these dismembering murderers.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assass...amal_Khashoggi

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