Palestine vs Israel: Choose a side

[Pine]

Indeed, similar to greeks.

The only reason you say this is to fool people into thinking that modern Jews are converts. If you told them that Greek Islanders have absorbed enough MENA blood and Ashkenazim have absorbed around half European admixture to plot nearby, then you know no one would care. Your goal isn't to communicate that modern Jews are admixed, but that they're fake. This is why you opt for vague words like "similar" and "genetically". Similar in what sense? Genetically in what sense? And no, American Christians aren't supporting Israel because they think Jews are pure.

[Hamilcar]

The only reason you say this is to fool people into thinking that modern Jews are converts. If you told them that Greek Islanders have absorbed enough MENA blood and Ashkenazim have absorbed around half European admixture to plot nearby, then you know no one would care. Your goal isn't to communicate that modern Jews are admixed, but that they're fake. This is why you opt for vague words like "similar" and "genetically". Similar in what sense? Genetically in what sense? And no, American Christians aren't supporting Israel because they think Jews are pure.

to Fool people ? Sure :

[…] excluding Ethiopian Jews who harbor
80% East African component), as well as a European-related component (on average
8.7%, excluding Ashkenazi Jews who harbor a 41% European-related component).

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...onze_Age_1.pdf

Overall, it seems that at least 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry is due to the assimilation of mtDNAs indigenous to Europe, most likely through conversion.The phylogenetic nesting patterns suggest that the most frequent of the Ashkenazi mtDNA lineages were assimilated in Western Europe, ~2 ka or slightly earlier. […] These analyses suggest that the first major wave of assimilation probably took place in Mediterranean Europe, most likely in the Italian peninsula ~2 ka, with substantial further assimilation of minor founders in west/central Europe.

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543#Sec5

the consolidation of Judaism in the world of antiquity cannot be explained - because of the magnitude of its extent - by natural demographic growth, emigration from their homeland or any other element that would not take into account the membership of external origin.

Uriel Rappaport, Propagande religieuse des juifs et mouvement de conversion à l'époque du Second Temple, Université hébraïque, 1965, p. 151

When the Jews came in large numbers to Rome and had converted a large number of people to their ideas, Tiberius banished most of them

Dion Cassius, Roman History, LVII, 18


They indeed descend mostly from converts only small groups like iraqi jews or samaritans can pretend to be quite pure and similar to ancient jews.

[XenophobicPrussian]

This is an absolute mandatory view for anyone who are still on the fence or use both-sides arguments:

Anyone can make propaganda:



It's really quite simple, stop shooting rockets from heavy density population areas and you won't have civilian casualties when people give you back a taste of your own medicine.

Obviously, Palestinians have a better claim to the land(most land is stolen anyway), so do you think native Americans should be firing rockets at white suburbs in Colorado?

[Hamilcar]

Anyone can make propaganda:



It's really quite simple, stop shooting rockets from heavy density population areas and you won't have civilian casualties when people give you back a taste of your own medicine.

Obviously, Palestinians have a better claim to the land(most land is stolen anyway), so do you think native Americans should be firing rockets at white suburbs in Colorado?

That's called Resistance. They are constantly humiliated, the colonies keep expanding, they are treated like second-class citizens and you dare to treat them like vulgar terrorists ? They shoot these rockets in reaction to what happened in sheikh jarrah :



and later what happened to muslims on the mount's temple :




Christian palestinians don't support isreal either :





Is that normal to you : https://twitter.com/videooof2/status...59556395393024


you're clearly biased because of your hatred for muslims/arabs in general so I'm not expecting much from you.

[Unknown European]

iraqi jews or samaritans can pretend to be quite pure and similar to ancient jews.

Jews in the present day of age are not defined by descent from Israelites. Jews are Jews because of their religious beliefs. I agree with Pine that when you and others discuss the mixing and conversions of people into historical Jewish communities the goal seems to ultimately delegitimize the heritage of Jews today and give them some fake status because they are racially pure enough for your standards . Outside of genetics, there is literally no cultural connection that European Jews (not including modern Italian Jews) have to Italians/Romans.

The most Jewish of all Jews are the Yemenite Jews.

[XenophobicPrussian]

to Fool people ? Sure :



https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...onze_Age_1.pdf



https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543#Sec5



Uriel Rappaport, Propagande religieuse des juifs et mouvement de conversion à l'époque du Second Temple, Université hébraïque, 1965, p. 151


Dion Cassius, Roman History, LVII, 18


They indeed descend mostly from converts only small groups like iraqi jews or samaritans can pretend to be quite pure and similar to ancient jews.

They are not converts, they are mixed(like you show, mostly on the maternal side, paternal side is always dominant culturally).

but yes, they have no claim to the land, it would be like Mexicans claiming right to return to Spain, and Mexico's European ancestors have been in Spain far later than Jews have last been in Israel.

That said, Israel was a must to happen. Most land is stolen, if anyone had an actual good reason for it, it's Israel, especially given the context in the late 1940s(although Israel had already started pretty much in the 1930s, if unofficially). In the context of the 1940s, Jews were hated all around Europe and needed a homeland(of course cuck Europeans have later proven this to be false, they would've been fine staying in Europe, as many still do), they atleast have some connection to the land, which wasn't too populated(therefore minimal displacement), and populated by a population who has extremely similar people all around it(other Levantines). You can even say the creation of Israel was a moral necessity, both for Jews who didn't want to live around other populations, and other populations who didn't want to live around Jews. The consequence of Palestinians losing a) majority status, or b) consequences of a war should they resist were far lesser, atleast in the context of the 1940s, than the creation of Israel. The creation of Israel even made other MENA and Muslim countries more homogenous because Middle-Eastern Jews left for Israel, which gives less chance for inter-ethnic conflict in said countries.

Stop crying and be glad you still have 95% of your cultural, Religious and racial continent, Europeans won't be able to say the same thing in 100-150 years.

[Pine]

to Fool people ? Sure :



https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...onze_Age_1.pdf



https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3543#Sec5



Uriel Rappaport, Propagande religieuse des juifs et mouvement de conversion à l'époque du Second Temple, Université hébraïque, 1965, p. 151


Dion Cassius, Roman History, LVII, 18


They indeed descend mostly from converts only small groups like iraqi jews or samaritans can pretend to be quite pure and similar to ancient jews.

Quotes:

excluding Ashkenazi Jews who harbor a 41% European-related component

Says:

They [Ashkenazi Jews] indeed descend mostly from converts only small groups like iraqi jews or samaritans can pretend to be quite pure and similar to ancient jews.

Nevermind dishonest, I forgot you're also stupid.

[XenophobicPrussian]

That's called Resistance. They are constantly humiliated, the colonies keep expanding, they are treated like second-class citizens and you dare to treat them like vulgar terrorists ? They shoot these rockets in reaction to what happened in sheikh jarrah :



and later what happened to muslims on the mount's temple :




Christian palestinians don't support isreal either :





Is that normal to you : https://twitter.com/videooof2/status...59556395393024


you're clearly biased because of your hatred for muslims/arabs in general so I'm not expecting much from you.

Yes, and I like Jews so much. The Jew's New Jersey Jewish accent in the first video literally makes me want to vomit.

Firing rockets to kill/destroy buildings over an eviction of property(are they getting compensated? the evictions over the pre-1948 Jerusalem property laws are extremely rare anyway, most evictions come from supporting terrorists) and breaking up a protest? Nice.

Today, Israeli settlers in West Bank and Palestinian of areas Jerusalem are morally wrong, because they already have the rest of Israel. However, there is clearly one party that's more civilized here. Stop crying and move to Jordan.

[TheGoldenSon]

Israel-Palestine issue is the hill on which American domination in Middle East will die and be replaced by the Chinese under two decades.

[Hamilcar]

Jews in the present day of age are not defined by descent from Israelites. Jews are Jews because of their religious beliefs. I agree with Pine that when you and others discuss the mixing and conversions of people into historical Jewish communities the goal seems to ultimately delegitimize the heritage of Jews today and give them some fake status because they are racially pure enough for your standards . Outside of genetics, there is literally no cultural connection that European Jews (not including modern Italian Jews) have to Italians/Romans.

The most Jewish of all Jews are the Yemenite Jews.

Actually I've always said it was all about religious beliefs but many jewish members disagreed and talked about a jewish ethnicity in the racial sense. My point is simply to discredit the typical zionist argument of "we come back on our lands after 2000 years" or "arabs are invaders" or "you're antisemitic if you do not support the existence of jewish state" so it is to ultimately delegitimize Israel and this nasty ideology that is Zionism. I have no hatred towards jews themselves or their religion.

There is no cultural connection to romans the same way there is no cultural connection between me and romanized north africans does that mean I'm not indigenous to the maghreb ? Does that mean they are not my ancestors and I should avoid them as if they never existed ? Culture unlike lineages/genes don't last, it changes over the centuries. Also how can you talk about "culture" when jewish communities all have different cultures : religion isn't all, do moroccan jews had a similar culture to ashkenazim in russia or falasha jews ?

And why are you saying that yemenite jews are the most jewish ?