What is the dispute over Alsace Lorraine?

[ficuscarica]

Anyway we've just reclaimed Gallo-Roman land. If Germans aren't OK with it, well fuck them. Who cares about what Germany thinks ?

These people are Germanic, even my region was Gallo-Roman before the 3rd century CE. So what? The cities, culture, people, etc have been Germanic forever.

And to your question: You should care. Without the whole Anglosphere + Russia ganging up on Germany you would be a German colony or protectorate.

Anyway, I am just having a "troll the French" day. I don´t even know why LOL. Actually I don´t have a problem with France.

[Rudel]

And to your question: You should care. Without the whole Anglosphere + Russia ganging up on Germany you would be a German colony or protectorate.

Without Britain, Russia, Prussia, Austria, the Netherlands, Sardinia and whatnot ganging up on us, you'd live in a French département.

Actually I don´t have a problem with France.

Then don't act like you have one.

[ficuscarica]

Without Britain, Russia, Prussia, Austria, the Netherlands, Sardinia and whatnot ganging up on us, you'd live in a French département.

You didn´t fight Germany but small independent states back then. You know the history after Germans united... 1871, WW I and II, each time France was defeated or saved from defeat by US/UK/Russia.

[Rudel]

You didn´t fight Germany but small independent states back then. You know the history after Germans united... 1871, WW I and II, each time France was defeated or saved from defeat by US/UK/Russia.

WWI ? What the fuck ? France did the lion's share, and by far, in this war.

[Not a Cop]

Without Britain, Russia, Prussia, Austria, the Netherlands, Sardinia and whatnot ganging up on us, you'd live in a French département.

Tried once, did'nt happened

[Wolf]

I don't have much knowledge about the region and its history, but I was in Strasbourg, the people look german and the city looks like a german city.

The city does also have a German name. "Strasbourg" = "Straßburg" (street + castle/town)

But the Alsatians (Allemannic and Frankish Germanics) identified with France after WWII. It´s easier not to be on the bad guys´ side, but on the good guys´ side. Alsatian opportunism combined with France expansionism has turned these Germans into wannabe French.

Alsatians didn't have any choice.

Alsatians aren't Germans, like Austrians, Swiss or Dutch aren't Germans.

That's debatable.

Anyway we've just reclaimed Gallo-Roman land.

According to your logic, Northern Italy should be French, too.

[Rudel]

According to your logic, Northern Italy should be French, too.

It would have made sense at the time of the Risorgimento. It doesn't anymore.

[DeaththeKid]

Personally I think that Germany was right to annex Alsace but they got greedy and annexed too much of Lorraine because it was strategic. They should have left Metz to France since it was French speaking. That would have granted the annexation more moral legitimacy.

[Skomand]

The German Empire was a federal state made up of 4 kingdoms, 6 grand-duchies, 5 duchies, 7 principalities, free cities etc.
Unfortunately, Elsaß-Lothringen was not granted the same autonomy status. It became Reichsland with the Kaiser as the ruling monarch and administered by Prussian civil servants. Possessing a south-German mentality this arrangement did not make them happy. Winning them back might have been possible, but not under these circumstances.
(Alsatians had to step down from the sidewalk when they met a Prussian military).

[Skomand]

I have done a google search with "Vive l'Alsace libre" and it brought up this:
http://blogs.mediapart.fr/blog/berna...alsace-libre-0
So some autonomists are still there. But when you look for more texts you will find that they are mostly written in French, interspersed with some quotes from their dialects. And this could be the major problem: their mother tongue is a dialect and Standard High German does not come easy to them and sounds clumsy from their mouths.

Here is some more:

http://alternative-europe.blogspot.c...-esch-tod.html

The biggest newspaper "Les dernieres nouvelles d'Alsace" started out as a German language paper, then was published in two languages. The German edition was given up in 2012. (German texts are still online: http://www.dna.fr/actualite/auf-deutsch)

Wikipedia:

"The newspaper was until March 2012 also published in German, although the Alsatian dialect is not a written language for the Alsatians German (about 10% prints)."