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    Leave it to Apricity to determine who's native to the land by invoking genetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Then how come you always say they aren't White? Anyway, as Petalpusher has inferred, the answer is neither (at least not 100%). Most Jews have heavy Euro admixture (not surprising, given their history), while many if not most Palestinians have Gulf Arab, Egyptian and even sometimes Black African admixture.
    sorry mate but bronze/iron age levantines were already similar to modern palestinians. Also historically arabs have always been part of the levant and contacts with egypt have almost always been intense.

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    Are there samples of actual Jews from the Antiquity ? Just to compare who is closer nowadays
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Jews are natives to Poland, Russia, in a lesser extent Germany, etc.
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    These from Slavic countries are not converted Slavs to Judaism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamilcar View Post
    And that most converts were born in Europe is also indisputable. The question is simply who is more native therefore if we go by genetics then it's palestinians that's it. The same way modern canarians are not native to the canary islands despite some of them having guanche ancestors and identifying as berbers.
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    Obviously Palestinians. Jews are natives to Poland, Russia, in a lesser extent Germany, etc.
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    These from Slavic countries are not converted Slavs to Judaism.
    Jews claim being 100% West Asian and they hate White/European people. Maybe they're native to West Asia too?


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    Palestinian Christians.

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    Druze, because Palestinian have subsaharian imput (red= subsaharian)
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    Palestinians are obviously more native than Ashkenazi Jews, but the Samaritans(most native of all) should kick the Palestinians out as well. Iraqi Jews also probably have a better claim than Palestinians, but other MENA Jews like Yemenite, Iranian and North African are likely too mixed.

    Also, it's very, very possible Ashkenazi Jews will have higher IBD sharing with ancient Palestinians/Judeans if Palestinians have more outside of Palestine Arab ancestry than Ashkenazis have European. A lot of Arabs did move around during Islamic conquests, the Islamic Caliphates, even later during the Kingdom of Egypt(likely how they got their SSA) and Ottoman Empire, but I would doubt it and later Arab admixture is probably much less than European admixture in Ashkenazis. We also know Bedouins are rather new comers to Palestine. I wouldn't say that matters though anyway, because overall genetic similarity is more important. I would say the French have a better claim to Spain than Mexicans, even though Spanish and Mexicans share more IBD together than Spanish do to French.
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