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    Quote Originally Posted by aherne View Post
    Baltic Finns, Komi (if by "purest" you mean highest Mesolithic ancestry)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaromir View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    So you're just another person who believes anything they read. Gotcha. You do know different papers come to different conclusions right? That's not anything confirmed.

    Many analysis of of both Natufian and Taforalt have shown SSA affinity/admixture in the latter but not Natufians, therefore Natufians cannot have admixture from Taforalt. Of course, Natufians can have admixture from the Eurasian side of Taforalt(Basal Eurasian?), but that's completely different.

    What you said is again, factually incorrect, about Villabruna being closer to Middle-Easterners than paleo-Euros. Firstly, Middle-Easterners do have Villabruna admixture, so in some analysis in f3 you might get results like this, but on a whole autosomal level, they are not closer to modern Middle-Easterners(even if they were, again, Middle-Easterners have Villabruna admixture, and you are again comparing extremely old populations without a lot of genetic drift later populations have). Villabruna is about as far away you can get from other West Eurasians.

    Infact, paleo-Euros are genetically closer to Middle-Easterners than Villabruna is. Paleo Euros had non-European affinity because they had just entered Europe to start genetically drifting into their own population, ADMIXTURE says this, PCA says this, dstats say this, etc.

    What you are referring to is this:

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_301742169

    (which is just an ADMIXTURE run btw)

    This shows they have Near Eastern affinity, compared to Native Americans, East Asians, Oceanians.

    Obviously they are going to show an affinity to Near Easterners compared to those populations(they didn't compare them to paleo Euros vs near Easterners), Caucasoid West Eurasians are a thing, and given paleo Euros had specific East Asian/Oceanic/etc affinity while Villabruna didn't, obviously this limited ADMIXTURE run is going to show this.

    If Villabruna is closer to Middle-Easterners than paleo Euros, you need to explain why Villabruna and Vestonice have the same correlation among West Eurasian populations:



    In this PCA of paleo-Euros, the Villabruna cluster, and other populations, the closest population there to Middle-Easterners is obviously Satsurblia CHG. Why are older paleo Euros closer to Satsurblia than to the Villabruna cluster?



    In segment size range IBD maps of 3-4 cM, why do paleolithic Europeans have more affinity to Middle-Easterners than WHGs do?

    Kostenki14(34k BC):



    Vestonice:



    Villabruna:



    Loschbour/KO1/La Brana combined:



    f3 stats, why are populations with high Villabruna also populations with high paleo-Euro, why are Middle-Eastern populations with low Villabruna also populations with low paleo-Euro?

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=359466717

    Here's a G25 PCA of all HGs and paleo-Euros, who are the paleo-Euros closer to?



    If WHG was a mix between paleo-Euros and some population from the Middle-East, they would be inbetween Dzudzuana and paleos. They are not, on this PCA paleos would be in the middle of everyone.



    I doubt you'll admit it, but you are wrong. Stop believing with all your devotion the first thing or paper you read and research it a bit, and don't automatically think something is right because it was done or said by a professional. Populations of different time periods cannot be compared, because people evolve and have genetic drift, meaning they will be very different from their direct ancestors via genetic drift, not only outside admixture.

    Obviously Paleolithic Europeans would be closer to "middle easterners" because they are closer to basal Eurasians and have less genetic drift from them? You answered this yourself.

    I think I'm not making clear what I am trying to say. And we are arguing about things beside the point.

    What I am saying is that the way Villabruna/WHG plots(and as suggested by their phenotype) it is obvious that they have a close relation to other MORE MODERN near eastern groups, like Anatolian hunter gatherer and Caucasus hunter gatherer, and that the samples we find of them in Europe are a mixture of these people and the paleolithic European HG. But I can't prove this until(if ever) a non-mixed much earlier haplo I sample is found more near their homeland, which I propose is around Caucasus/Iran(Haplo IJ was found in an Iranian man if I'm not mistaken).

    My claim is that what we know as WHG are not a base population but a mixture between a near eastern group and the paleolithic euro HG. Is this completely disproven or not possible, nope.


    As far as your claims about haplo E coming from Near East/Levant. Recent findings of Nigerian males with Haplo D of a different older subclade than Eurasian D proves that DE separated inside of Africa. As well as the recent findings of a ancestral population called ANA(Ancestral North African, deeper than basal Eurasian) are believed to have spread haplo E throughout Northern Africa, than into the levant. Where a hunter gatherer population lived of mostly haplogroup CT. (Is this the unknown hunter gatherer group related to villabruna?)
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    WHG were black - skinned, weren’t they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    I for one am proud of my trace amounts of African ancestry that comes from the Royal Egyptian Sobek Dynasty and my ancient trace tepecik ciftlik Anatolian vampire lineage etc...

    According to the One Drop Rule of the Deep South ( US), you are Black or Colored then. Ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    WHG were black - skinned, weren’t they?
    Dark skinned but skin color is irrelevant because its not so complex and controlled by a only a few genes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaromir View Post
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    Sorry but Komi are half wogs compared to Mari. Laag would be angry but the truth must be told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    WHG were black - skinned, weren’t they?
    they had dark skin, yes I am like a WHG

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    In VUR everything works differently than in the rest of Europe. For example, if you ask who is lighter Spaniards or Bulgarians, then a small war will begin, they will count the percentages of the light eyes and the light hair and the winner will be the Spaniards who will only be half a percent lighter than the Bulgarians, very ridiculous. And if you ask who is lighter Komi people or Khanty/Mansy this question doesn't make sense because in VUR no one can be lighter than West Siberians. If outside the region Komi people are among the lightest European groups, inside VUR they with their 75-80 percent light eyes are literally wogs. Say West Siberians browner than South Europeans it's just raping the facts. Put any South European group in VUR and we'll see who's the browner. Lel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    WHG were black - skinned, weren’t they?
    Nope - their skin was intermediate.

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7179671

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