Map of Europe showing WHG, Baltic HG, Yamnaya and Neolithic ancestry

**~~Ion Basescul~~** · 05-16-2021, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by Nurzat

nope, there's Moldova and Moldova outliers, and the former is southern Moldovans afaik in G25, so the result is southern-shifted anyway, plus, I only show those 4 components, not any other one, some add to 98 some to less, as I cannot show the 22 components in the map, it is to show these 4 main sources of ancestry, which actually is 3 strong sources for almost all populations, individually anyone can check anything, you have the calc in the OP, the map is to show general tendencies, for Moldovans an average would probably be slughtly more northenrn than that with better sampling. 1% lower or highers is ridiculous to talk about, not the point of the map, it is about general picture, not individual populations, on which it is relevant where the highest and the lowest % are found on the continent (Basques, Sardinians, Balts for example)

The former is formed of 32 samples from the North (around 5 outliers) and 10 from the South (around 5 outliers). It could be more Northern than the average would have been, since around 60% of the population lives in the Centre. But judging by K13 average compared to this one from G25, it should be pretty close anyway
Moldovan_o has one Moldovan/Romanian and the rest are a combination of Russians, Ukrainians and one Slavo-Gypsy mix. No idea why it's named that way. Should just be Moldovan_EastSlavic or something akin to that.

**Grace O'Malley** · 05-16-2021, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by JamesBond007

Wrong, it is just that commercial DNA tests are not scientific they don't want to contradict any potentially wrong preconceived notions about customers identity they might have and G25 is amateur mentally retatarded slavic science. Alright, I am being a little too harsh on G25 but the truth is that is too fine-grained especially for modern populations.

So, who is the master of physical anthropology here ? Arguably xenophobic Prussian. He puts me in Wales/Cornwall/Devonshire Britain . So, you don't want more generalized qpAdm/admix results because it's ultra nerdy ? Perfect is the enemy of good enough :

MyTrueAncestry :

1. Southwest_English (4.205)
2. Southeast_English (4.275)
3. North_Dutch (4.390)
4. Danish (4.722)
5. West_Scottish (4.930)
6. Irish (5.014)
7. Orcadian (5.114)
8. North_German (6.151)

Ok, so the average Englishman is probably about 21 percent Celtic/Irish or whatever. However, being from SouthWest England there can be more Celtic input. MTA FTW , again:

30 % Celtic with rest various Germanic tribes e.g. Saxons, Danish vikings, Franks, Norwegian vikings etc..

Is it telling me nerd shit like how much Steppe, WHG, and Baltic HG etc...I am ? No ! However, who cares if G25 is wrong ? Ok, G25 is flexible and nerdy but not always correct so fuck it ! MTA can tell me how much I match to some samples in ancient Britain it seems , as well , but I won't paste it here.

Also , phenotype is only a subset of genes of the underlying genotype so you can't rely solely on old-school anthropology.

The truth is out there my man !

*edit , yeah go ahead clowns continue looking down your noses at MyTrueAncestry ya'll niggers is sleeping on MTA and straight trippin' *

Celtic and Irish is not the same thing. You should know that now. MyTrueAncestry just uses Eurogenes K15 which you are always complaining is bad "Polack science"

. I wonder when that Reich study about Southeast England is coming out as there is a more southern pull there compared to the rest of the Isles populations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

The facts at the moment though are no one really knows how much Celtic people influenced the dna of places like Ireland or England.

**~~Mantuano~~** · 05-16-2021, 09:51 AM

Irish and Celt is not the same thing, Celts were very different from each other. I think Gael is the best word to define an irish genetic component.

**vbnetkhio** · 05-16-2021, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

The facts at the moment though are no one really knows how much Celtic people influenced the dna of places like Ireland or England.

It was 50% according to that latest study, but these Celts were quite similar to the Beakers already there.

**Grace O'Malley** · 05-16-2021, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

It was 50% according to that latest study, but these Celts were quite similar to the Beakers already there.

I would love to see that. Is there a link? Any comparison with the Celts from the Continent show no similarity with Irish, Scots, Welsh etc. Well very small anyway. A study would be hugely popular.

**vbnetkhio** · 05-16-2021, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

I would love to see that. Is there a link? Any comparison with the Celts from the Continent show no similarity with Irish, Scots, Welsh etc. Well very small anyway. A study would be hugely popular.

I mean this, you already saw it.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...n-MLBA-Britain

btw, there are some continental samples (maybe not officially Celtic) which are close to the northern French and Welsh.

Code:

Distance to:	DEU_Lech_EBA
0.02642402	French_Brittany
0.02804248	Welsh
0.02855813	Afrikaner
0.02858560	French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02899656	German
0.02901861	Belgian
0.03038943	English
0.03060798	Dutch
0.03119610	French_Nord
0.03181650	Scottish
0.03236684	Orcadian
0.03242401	English_Cornwall
0.03291270	Irish
0.03426555	French_Paris
0.03432736	French_Alsace
0.03433418	Danish
0.03527579	Austrian
0.03530170	Swiss_German
0.03552642	French_Seine-Maritime
0.03605778	Norwegian
0.03641125	Shetlandic
0.03904966	Icelandic
0.04153416	Swedish
0.04269079	French_Occitanie
0.04456186	Swiss_French

Distance to:	FRA_Grand_Est_EBA
0.02431596	French_Brittany
0.02466238	French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02661259	Welsh
0.02833026	English
0.02962285	Orcadian
0.02974823	English_Cornwall
0.03034658	Belgian
0.03067867	Scottish
0.03127889	Afrikaner
0.03171983	French_Nord
0.03181763	German
0.03223326	Irish
0.03248486	Dutch
0.03295790	French_Paris
0.03540602	Danish
0.03579982	French_Alsace
0.03619071	French_Seine-Maritime
0.03652764	Swiss_German
0.03658374	Norwegian
0.03735794	Icelandic
0.03897153	Shetlandic
0.03908693	French_Occitanie
0.04065019	Swedish
0.04134185	Austrian
0.04273436	French_Auvergne


Distance to:	DEU_Singen_EBA
0.02061259	French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02417396	Belgian
0.02441269	French_Paris
0.02460245	French_Nord
0.02572576	French_Brittany
0.02766818	French_Occitanie
0.02836288	Swiss_German
0.02888581	French_Alsace
0.02983799	Afrikaner
0.03107685	Welsh
0.03115207	French_Auvergne
0.03256697	German
0.03387438	English
0.03402049	English_Cornwall
0.03431569	Swiss_French
0.03468808	French_Seine-Maritime
0.03630033	Orcadian
0.03665006	Scottish
0.03685816	Dutch
0.03804175	Austrian
0.03868082	Irish
0.04091794	Spanish_Penedes
0.04110268	French_Provence
0.04161102	Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04261172	Danish

I think the British Celtic invaders will be similar to these when they get published.

**Grace O'Malley** · 05-16-2021, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

I mean this, you already saw it.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...n-MLBA-Britain

btw, there are some continental samples (maybe not officially Celtic) which are close to the northern French and Welsh.

Code:

Distance to:	DEU_Lech_EBA
0.02642402	French_Brittany
0.02804248	Welsh
0.02855813	Afrikaner
0.02858560	French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02899656	German
0.02901861	Belgian
0.03038943	English
0.03060798	Dutch
0.03119610	French_Nord
0.03181650	Scottish
0.03236684	Orcadian
0.03242401	English_Cornwall
0.03291270	Irish
0.03426555	French_Paris
0.03432736	French_Alsace
0.03433418	Danish
0.03527579	Austrian
0.03530170	Swiss_German
0.03552642	French_Seine-Maritime
0.03605778	Norwegian
0.03641125	Shetlandic
0.03904966	Icelandic
0.04153416	Swedish
0.04269079	French_Occitanie
0.04456186	Swiss_French

Distance to:	FRA_Grand_Est_EBA
0.02431596	French_Brittany
0.02466238	French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02661259	Welsh
0.02833026	English
0.02962285	Orcadian
0.02974823	English_Cornwall
0.03034658	Belgian
0.03067867	Scottish
0.03127889	Afrikaner
0.03171983	French_Nord
0.03181763	German
0.03223326	Irish
0.03248486	Dutch
0.03295790	French_Paris
0.03540602	Danish
0.03579982	French_Alsace
0.03619071	French_Seine-Maritime
0.03652764	Swiss_German
0.03658374	Norwegian
0.03735794	Icelandic
0.03897153	Shetlandic
0.03908693	French_Occitanie
0.04065019	Swedish
0.04134185	Austrian
0.04273436	French_Auvergne


Distance to:	DEU_Singen_EBA
0.02061259	French_Pas-de-Calais
0.02417396	Belgian
0.02441269	French_Paris
0.02460245	French_Nord
0.02572576	French_Brittany
0.02766818	French_Occitanie
0.02836288	Swiss_German
0.02888581	French_Alsace
0.02983799	Afrikaner
0.03107685	Welsh
0.03115207	French_Auvergne
0.03256697	German
0.03387438	English
0.03402049	English_Cornwall
0.03431569	Swiss_French
0.03468808	French_Seine-Maritime
0.03630033	Orcadian
0.03665006	Scottish
0.03685816	Dutch
0.03804175	Austrian
0.03868082	Irish
0.04091794	Spanish_Penedes
0.04110268	French_Provence
0.04161102	Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04261172	Danish

I think the British Celtic invaders will be similar to these when they get published.

I would like to see that come out in an actual study with more details and what populations they think caused this. Also it is only a part of Britain. It's an interesting catch from the talk but no study yet. Thanks anyway as it sounds very interesting.

**Leto** · 05-16-2021, 12:42 PM

Target: Leto_scaled
Distance: 5.4744% / 0.05474444

44.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.0 TUR_Barcin_N
20.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
3.6 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA
1.2 Han
0.2 Levant_PPNB

**Leto** · 05-16-2021, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

Celtic and Irish is not the same thing. You should know that now. MyTrueAncestry just uses Eurogenes K15 which you are always complaining is bad "Polack science"

. I wonder when that Reich study about Southeast England is coming out as there is a more southern pull there compared to the rest of the Isles populations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

The facts at the moment though are no one really knows how much Celtic people influenced the dna of places like Ireland or England.

Is that the reason why you dropped Celtic identity altogether? I thought it was important for an authentic Irish identity (not for those who would call a Bangladeshi living in Ireland Irish).