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I' like to see, how score Bronze and Iron Age Iberian samples. Some French ones score more than 2% MAR_Taforalt.Originally Posted by Pedro Ruben
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25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo
Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:
- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected since pre-Italic times (hence Meds, Alpines, Dinarics and even Armenoids pretty much everywhere)
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nope, there's Moldova and Moldova outliers, and the former is southern Moldovans afaik in G25, so the result is southern-shifted anyway, plus, I only show those 4 components, not any other one, some add to 98 some to less, as I cannot show the 22 components in the map, it is to show these 4 main sources of ancestry, which actually is 3 strong sources for almost all populations, individually anyone can check anything, you have the calc in the OP, the map is to show general tendencies, for Moldovans an average would probably be slughtly more northenrn than that with better sampling. 1% lower or highers is ridiculous to talk about, not the point of the map, it is about general picture, not individual populations, on which it is relevant where the highest and the lowest % are found on the continent (Basques, Sardinians, Balts for example)
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well, it is Eurogenes calculator to which I added 5 more sources, it's totally experimental and on that calc Finns do score that Barcin percentage, I wonder if Barcin has some HG into it, relic from earlier Pinarbasi population. also, it's not to be taken overly serious, I was more interested in seeing excess WHG and excess EHG (additional to what Yamnaya-derived migrants brought to Europe), and overall I think it does show that25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo
Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:
- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), but the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected.
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It is just bullshit
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Odd that my mom has less Yamnaya than me
Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 3.1989% / 0.03198941
46.8 TUR_Barcin_N
43.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
9.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
Target: Daco_mom_scaled
Distance: 5.1496% / 0.05149614
43.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
37.8 TUR_Barcin_N
19.0 Baltic_LVA_HG
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Target: Italian_Campania25% ENF ancestry among Finns? This makes no sense... Not only that Finland was never in the path of ENF: it was populated by Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers before Aryans came, but also it has lowest concentration in Europe (near absence, that is) of any ENF / West Asian phenotypes: almost no meds, alpines, dinarics, etc. As always, racial anthropology matches history much better than genetic mumbo-jumbo
Aryan aka "Steppe" ancestry is also over-inflated, Mesolithic HG extremely underestimated (judging how MUCH more common today are indigenous CM-derivative phenotypes than Corded). Perhaps the two should be taken together? Anyway, I don't see any value in these results:
- Southern Italians (Neapolitans, Calabrians) just SLIGHTLY less Aryan than French (25% vs 35%)... Former area cannot have, historically speaking (as confirmed by phenotypes) more than 10% influence: it was briefly invaded by Italics then Greeks started to build cities on the coast but not only those two were very mixed already (definitely not pred. Aryan to begin with), the bulk of the population remained more or less unaffected since pre-Italic times (hence Meds, Alpines, Dinarics and even Armenoids pretty much everywhere)
Distance: 1.4499% / 0.01449917
45.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
24.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 TUR_Barcin_N
5.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.6 Levant_PPNB
1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.0 MAR_Taforalt
0.2 WHG
Southern Italy is the textbook example of push and pull. Most of the Yamna is Italic or Germanic.
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I wonder if the Yamnaya score in Syrians comes from crusaders or from Iranics (Kurds). people are too concentrated on populations, this is to show some tendencies across the continent, not how much some population scores, anyone can check that in details with the sources in the OP and the G25 sheets on vahaduo, it is obvious these components don't come on most from direct ancestry from these populations but after thousands of years of constant population displacement and throughout the time the percentages moved back and forth on the map, with populations, imagine how Romania's territory looked for a thousand years of Turkic successive peopling, of which little is left now. so people are just reading it wrong
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you ask too much from one amateur take I did, it's not a scientific paper, lol, and it is mostly the calculator that Eurogenes used as standard for the Global25 coordinates, I didn't imvent it. then, look, Wikipedia says some 10% Neolithic genes made it even to Lapps:It is just bullshit
"The "Nganassan" autosomic component now makes up more than 25% in the Sámi, but was 50% in the 3500-year old Kola population. The Mesolithic "Western European Hunter-Gatherer" (WHG) component is close to 15%, while that of the Neolithic "European early farmer" (LBK) is 10%. 50% is the Bronze Age "Yamna" component."
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Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.15183177 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.20688415 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.20994545 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.21790130 TUR_Barcin_N
0.26144270 Levant_PPNB
0.27261964 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.33215023 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.33306373 WHG
0.38540696 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.46495157 Jarawa
0.48349269 MAR_Taforalt
0.61751779 Han
0.61816062 Nganassan
0.62589667 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
0.66704718 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.67753663 ETH_4500BP
0.73679247 Dinka
0.75178874 Gambian
0.77737849 Yoruba
0.81367517 Papuan
0.94024161 Ju_hoan_North
0.95580437 Mbuti
Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 5.3260% / 0.05326037
44.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
38.4 TUR_Barcin_N
17.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
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