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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortnite777 View Post
    I don't hate Israel, I actually am very supportive of the early Zionists. Zionism in its original form was fundamentally antisemitic. Herzl and Nordau were originally Germanophiles who wanted nothing to do with their own jewishness, until they realized they have to live with their jewishness and overcome the negatives of it in a truly European manner. Ruppin believed Ashkenazim were actually Ur-Aryans who would rule over the inferior Mizrahi and Arabs alike, but also needed Eugenics to return to their proper "Indo-Germanic" blood profile (Ruppin also was friendly towards Hans F.K. Guenther, arguably the chief ethnologist of Nazi Germany. The amicability was mutual). As Herzl said, the Antisemite was the greatest ally to the Zionist, and he didn't mean that in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way. Fascists across Europe, including Nazis, both covertly and overtly supported the efforts of Zionism and collaborated with Zionists from all rungs of the ladder.

    However, I think the Holocaust Narrative and the mass exodus of Jews into Israel from the camps fundamentally changed the spirit of Zionism on all sides. It went from an effort to transform Jews into something better (basically both cultural and literal Eugenics) to a massive circlejerk of the Jewish people. After the war they also flooded the country with Mizrachi Jews, who do not have the talent or genius of the Ashkenazim and while of the same clan are racially rather different. This changed Zionism from a racial movement into a religious one. Herzl was secular, in fact he wanted Israelis to become Christian and speak German. Most Zionists before WW2 were clear that this was an ethnic movement, not a religious one. But during the cold war, the old style of Zionists faded and we were left with Religious Zionists and Labor Zionists (who had shed much of their "bigoted" sentiments).

    So yeah, modern Israel is not what I think it was intended to be. But it isn't the bogeyman people pretend it is. Israel is secondary to whatever Jews do in the U.S.. Israelis are usually at least somewhat sympathetic to the European right, being extremely right wing themselves. American Jews would still be total shitlibs even if Israel never existed. If Israel can keep the land under their control, good for them. Arabs have humiliated themselves trying to get it back, they literally surround Israel and even when the US wasn't a major player they failed. All that being said, I don't want their citizens meddling in my government and I don't want us donating so much money to them after some of the sneaky stuff they've done to us.

    1.) Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world... the root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep solidarity...
    --- Albert Einstein, quoted in Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938

    2.) In spite of the tension between nazi Germany and the Jews, Jewish organizations and the nazi government actually cooperated with one another in helping Jews immigrate to Palestine under the Ha'avara, or Transfer Agreement of May 1933. Specifically, Germany allowed the setting up of camps on German soil for the training of Jews in agricultural and other skills needed for emigration, and what is now the Israeli flag was the only national symbol besides the hakenkruz which was allowed to fly within the German Reich. More than this, many articles appeared in the German press praising Zionism, and Propaganda Minister Dr Joseph Goebbels even commissioned a special medallion commemorating Zionism . The nazi-Zionist collaboration was so close that one of the Jewish underground military organizations in Palestine (the Irgun), whose leader, Menachem Begin, later became Prime Minister of Israel, actually made a formal proposal to the nazi government to fight on the side of Germany in exchange for German cooperation in forcing German Jews to immigrate to Palestine.

    3.) Right-wing Israelis and shitlib American Jews. Did it ever occur to you that Jews hedge their bets ? Thus even granting the possibility that the Jewish hoi polloi are idealistic liberals with no intent of trashing whites or Western civilization, the fact that liberalism has been a failure in every instance where it has been tried -- from the numerous communist and socialist regimes around the world (the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, North Korea, and so on) to every particular program where it has been tried in the West (welfare, government health care, social security, farm subsidies, urban renewal, public housing, VA hospitals, plus all the other programs we have already mentioned, plus zillions of others) -- can only mean that Jewish leaders -- the most intelligent men of an outstandingly- intelligent race -- know perfectly well the effects of liberalism, and continue to promote it precisely because they approve of its effects. And while it is true that Israel itself adheres to liberalism in the economic sphere (but not in the racial, ethnic or sexual!), this is not a refutation of our position, but could be explained in various ways, eg, as a need on the part of Jewish leaders to showcase their liberalism to the gentiles in order to be better able to use it against them; or as an experiment in command and control of their own people in order to facilitate using it against the West; or as merely the effect of the Jewish hoi polloi believing in liberalism without their leaders believing in it.

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    The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin el-Hosseini, was a Nazi agent, who encouraged Arab militias to massacre Jewish refugees and settlers in British Mandate Palestine. He said that if Hitler won the war, he'd collaborate in eliminating every Jew from the entire Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    Why do you say that Israel is fascist, it is the other way around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Odelia View Post
    Dude look at the big picture and focus on the context! Israel is in the fucking middle east, surrounded by angry islamist Arabs with many being terrorists that want it wiped off the plant and you're calling it a depostic state? Like wtf...have you looked at Syria, Palestine (under hamas), fuck even Egypt and Iraq? What are they to you, safe havens with democracy and prosperity?! White liberals man....y'all just hate israel cos it's white and the surrounding countries are brown victims Poor Israel and jews...both the far right and far left hate on them and for dumb reasons!
    Very sane and clever perception of reality.

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    I don't hate Israel and Israelis. In fact, Israel seems like a nice country to live in, especially near the coast (I don't mean Gaza..).

    My main concern is that the Israeli government protect historical sites, especially sites of religious interest, and permit Christians to do their pilgrimages and so on. And, by and large, there doesn't seem to be any problems with that. Probably because Israel gets a lot of revenue from Christian tourists. So, the Christian shrines are of benefit to Israel.

    I would be less comfortable if it was in Muslim hands.

    I hope Jewish orthodox fundamentalists don't spoil Israel's relationship with Christian pilgrims and tourists in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I don't hate Israel and Israelis. In fact, Israel seems like a nice country to live in, especially near the coast (I don't mean Gaza..).

    My main concern is that the Israeli government protect historical sites, especially sites of religious interest, and permit Christians to do their pilgrimages and so on. And, by and large, there doesn't seem to be any problems with that. Probably because Israel gets a lot of revenue from Christian tourists. So, the Christian shrines are of benefit to Israel.

    I would be less comfortable if it was in Muslim hands.

    I hope Jewish orthodox fundamentalists don't spoil Israel's relationship with Christian pilgrims and tourists in the future.
    Well especially given the disparities in birthrates, there is real concern in some quarters that Israel will become increasingly Orthodox over time, and that more than a few of them would like to turn it into little more than a Jewish version of Iran, Saudi Arabia or even the Taliban's Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Well especially given the disparities in birthrates, there is real concern in some quarters that Israel will become increasingly Orthodox over time, and that more than a few of them would like to turn it into little more than a Jewish version of Iran, Saudi Arabia or even the Taliban's Afghanistan.
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    I dont hate Israel but i hate how they created and enlarging it, using christian nations as "useful idiots" in their war with muslims.

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    I like Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I don't hate Israel and Israelis. In fact, Israel seems like a nice country to live in, especially near the coast (I don't mean Gaza..).

    My main concern is that the Israeli government protect historical sites, especially sites of religious interest, and permit Christians to do their pilgrimages and so on. And, by and large, there doesn't seem to be any problems with that. Probably because Israel gets a lot of revenue from Christian tourists. So, the Christian shrines are of benefit to Israel.

    I would be less comfortable if it was in Muslim hands.

    I hope Jewish orthodox fundamentalists don't spoil Israel's relationship with Christian pilgrims and tourists in the future.
    I would move to Tel avi In a heart beat If I could.

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