Do you hate Israel?

[Italicus]

So a lot of English are at least 25% Irish and I am like 37% Irish. The Scots are even more Irish. So does that mean Protestant English and Scotsmen return to the Irish holy land and treat native Catholic Irishmen as Palestinians ?

Where else could they go? It was preferable that they went there and not in white countries. They could have gone to Nadagascar too lol

[JamesBond007]

Where else could they go? It was preferable that they went there and not in white countries. They could have gone to Nadagascar too lol

What are you talking about ? You act like all Jews extracted themselves from Western countries then hermetically sealed themselves in Israel.

[Tooting Carmen]

What are you talking about ? You act like all Jews extracted themselves from Western countries then hermetically sealed themselves in Israel.

Well think how many more Jews would still be in the West were it not for aliya (for good and for ill).

As for the OP: I don't hate Israel, and certainly it is a relative (key operative word here) bastion of liberty and reason compared to most Middle Eastern countries. It is a particularly strong hub for science and education. Nevertheless, it does often behave recklessly and disproportionately in the Palestinian Territories - terrorising in the name of "counter-terrorism" - and its dominance of US foreign policy is rather overwhelming for a country around the same size as Wales. (If only Wales could command anything like the same attention from the US establishment as Israel does, imagine what wonders that could do. )

[axel.aleman]

I do not hate Israel and Jew but the globalist zionist agenda Is harmful

[JamesBond007]

As for the OP: I don't hate Israel, and certainly it is a relative (key operative word here) bastion of liberty and reason compared to most Middle Eastern countries. It is a particularly strong hub for science and education. Nevertheless, it does often behave recklessly and disproportionately in the Palestinian Territories - terrorising in the name of "counter-terrorism" - and its dominance of US foreign policy is rather overwhelming for a country around the same size as Wales. (If only Wales could command anything like the same attention from the US establishment as Israel does, imagine what wonders that could do. )

The state of Israel -- center of world Jewry -- is a virtual textbook case of social sickness and political malfeasance. Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid, which amounts to approximately billions of dollars annually (equivalent to a subsidy of about $1000 or so for every Jewish family in Israel), and total direct and indirect US aid since Israel's founding in 1948 is approximately hundreds of billions. The reason for this largesse, as columnist Pat Buchanan observed, is that the US congress is "Israeli-occupied territory"; for any senator or representative daring to take a stand against Israeli "aid" is targeted by Jewish PACs for removal at the next election -- and almost always is. Israel has also received billions more from Germany as "war reparations" -- payments which continue more than half a century after the war, which was fought before Israel even came into existence, and in spite of the fact that Germany and the World Zionist Congress signed an agreement on 10 Sep 1952, known as the Luxembourg Agreement, which covered all Jewish war claims and which was paid by Germany long ago. Yet Israel is a socialist state in which taxes are sky-high, labor unions are politically and economically dominant, and -- as in any socialist state -- the economy is stagnant. This stagnation, incidentally, embraces many of the famed kibbutzes (collective farms), which are able to survive only because of government handouts. What is more, Israel is the only state besides nazi Germany to forbid Jew-gentile marriages (mixed couples usually get married in Cyprus). As is well-known, Israel uses torture (so-called 'moderate pressure') and bone-breaking as an instrument of state policy. In addition, there was a large public monument in Israel to Baruch Goldstein, who machine-gunned to death some 30 arabs at prayer before he himself was killed. The statue was up for years and only taken down because of international pressure.

[Tooting Carmen]

Israel hasn't been socialist for at least forty years.

[JamesBond007]

Israel hasn't been socialist for at least forty years.

That is a matter of opinion. Jews like to promote Socialism worldwide so why not showcase it for the Goyim in Israel ?

[Cristiano viejo]

Jews are anti-white, that is why.

[Fortnite777]

I don't hate Israel, I actually am very supportive of the early Zionists. Zionism in its original form was fundamentally antisemitic. Herzl and Nordau were originally Germanophiles who wanted nothing to do with their own jewishness, until they realized they have to live with their jewishness and overcome the negatives of it in a truly European manner. Ruppin believed Ashkenazim were actually Ur-Aryans who would rule over the inferior Mizrahi and Arabs alike, but also needed Eugenics to return to their proper "Indo-Germanic" blood profile (Ruppin also was friendly towards Hans F.K. Guenther, arguably the chief ethnologist of Nazi Germany. The amicability was mutual). As Herzl said, the Antisemite was the greatest ally to the Zionist, and he didn't mean that in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way. Fascists across Europe, including Nazis, both covertly and overtly supported the efforts of Zionism and collaborated with Zionists from all rungs of the ladder.

However, I think the Holocaust Narrative and the mass exodus of Jews into Israel from the camps fundamentally changed the spirit of Zionism on all sides. It went from an effort to transform Jews into something better (basically both cultural and literal Eugenics) to a massive circlejerk of the Jewish people. After the war they also flooded the country with Mizrachi Jews, who do not have the talent or genius of the Ashkenazim and while of the same clan are racially rather different. This changed Zionism from a racial movement into a religious one. Herzl was secular, in fact he wanted Israelis to become Christian and speak German. Most Zionists before WW2 were clear that this was an ethnic movement, not a religious one. But during the cold war, the old style of Zionists faded and we were left with Religious Zionists and Labor Zionists (who had shed much of their "bigoted" sentiments).

So yeah, modern Israel is not what I think it was intended to be. But it isn't the bogeyman people pretend it is. Israel is secondary to whatever Jews do in the U.S.. Israelis are usually at least somewhat sympathetic to the European right, being extremely right wing themselves. American Jews would still be total shitlibs even if Israel never existed. If Israel can keep the land under their control, good for them. Arabs have humiliated themselves trying to get it back, they literally surround Israel and even when the US wasn't a major player they failed. All that being said, I don't want their citizens meddling in my government and I don't want us donating so much money to them after some of the sneaky stuff they've done to us.

[Fortnite777]

Yeah, I am looking at the big picture Jews would have been better off in Madagascar. Jews have some irrational attachment to that land in the middle east. Maybe Mizrahi Jews have some genetic ties to the land but not Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews.

Jews just got the British to give them Israel/Palestine and it has been a clusterfuck compared to Madagascar.

Some also wanted to go to Brazil or Argentina. I think Mussolini wanted to send them to the Horn.

I would say Ashkenazim and Sephardim at least have patrilineal ties to the land. DNA wise, they're probably mostly a mish mash of peoples from the Roman-era mediterrenean with Ashkenazim having some extra N. Euro admixture. It doesn't really matter though, now that the (50% Jewish, not even exaggerating) media has some studies calling them over 50% israelite the "Greco-Roman" hypothesis will literally never get any coverage