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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    They are Celtic ( Insular Celtic). The Celts were not a homogeneous group. It is the Bell Beaker type people who brought Indo - European speech in this case Keltic to that part of Europe. Insular Celts have retained certain physical characteristics of Celtic told by ancient writers such pale or very fair skin, light eyes, ginger hair, etc...
    Celtic speech, culture, literature has persisted in this part of Europe than anywhere. If the Irish, Welsh, Scottish are not Celtic than Scandinavians are not Germanic either.
    Proto-Celts were a homogenous group, and they were from Central Europe, not like Insular Celts, who were Celtic-Bronze Age British mixes. Bell Beakers didn't bring Celtic to the British Isles, why are you feeding this guy misinformation.

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    Are individuals, from Mexico and Spain, Latino? They are in that they share certain things that place them in that category, but they don't share identical ethnicities. I think that this kind of thing holds true for Celts. Like the conquistadores, a relatively small group of continental Celts had an impact on British Isles natives who weren't identical to them in ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Proto-Celts were a homogenous group, and they were from Central Europe, not like Insular Celts, who were Celtic-Bronze Age British mixes. Bell Beakers didn't bring Celtic to the British Isles, why are you feeding this guy misinformation.
    What do you mean here? I agree with literally everything that you just said in fact...

    Of course it wasn't the Bell Beakers the ones who brought the Celtic languages/culture into the Isles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anglo-Celtic View Post
    Are individuals, from Mexico and Spain, Latino? They are in that they share certain things that place them in that category, but they don't share identical ethnicities. I think that this kind of thing holds true for Celts. Like the conquistadores, a relatively small group of continental Celts had an impact on British Isles natives who weren't identical to them in ethnicity.
    Makes sense. Good analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    Is it true that the 'Insular Celts' aren't even really Celtic? I've heard that they're mostly descended from the Bell Beaker people and that only a small number of Celts migrated there.

    Does this mean that groups such as Southern Germans, Austrians or even Iberians are actually far more Celtic than them?
    Speaking, genetically, rather simply linguistically and culturally (creoda already covered that ) the Welsh and certainly the Scots are celto-germanic and English are germano-Celts.

    I dunno, creoda seems to be the expert here and everything is not based in genetics.

    Celts are a conquered people assimilated into both Latin peoples and Germanic peoples.
    sample: England
    distance: 2.908763

    sample: Dutch
    distance: 3.13281

    sample: Scotland
    distance: 4.0097629999999995

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    Speaking, genetically, rather simply linguistically and culturally (creoda already covered that ) the Welsh and certainly the Scots are celto-germanic and English are germano-Celts.

    I dunno, creoda seems to be the expert here and everything is not based in genetics.

    Celts are a conquered people assimilated into both Latin peoples and Germanic peoples.
    Everyone's conquered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    What do you mean here? I agree with literally everything that you just said in fact...

    Of course it wasn't the Bell Beakers the ones who brought the Celtic languages/culture into the Isles.
    I meant why is he repeating the misinformation that Bell Beakers were proto-Celts, he's said that before.

    All of the British Isles is primarily a 3-way mixture of Bronze Age natives, Celts and Germanics, in differing proportions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Proto-Celts were a homogenous group, and they were from Central Europe, not like Insular Celts, who were Celtic-Bronze Age British mixes. Bell Beakers didn't bring Celtic to the British Isles, why are you feeding this guy misinformation.
    I am not misinforming anyone.

    http://www.aemap.ac.uk/static/media/...e-bamfflet.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Wishy-washy anti-migrationist revisionism that characterised academia before the last decade, that was proven wrong by ancient genomes. Same as how the revisionists were wrong about Anglo-Saxon influence being small, it's now being proven by genetics that the influence of Celtic speakers on Britain from the late Bronze Age was massive too (50%).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Wishy-washy anti-migrationist revisionism that characterised academia before the last decade, that was proven wrong by ancient genomes. Same as how the revisionists were wrong about Anglo-Saxon influence being small, it's now being proven by genetics that the influence of Celtic speakers on Britain from the late Bronze Age was massive too (50%).
    Cut out the nonsense! I know that Celtic influence on the Britons dates from the late Bronze Age. I never denied that Anglo - Saxon influence is definitely not small. As a matter of fact, more than half of the paternal lineages in the English and Lowland Scottish population is Germanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Yeah, because nearly all of them speak English as a first language.
    They didn't always speak English, only after anglicization after the Anglo-Saxon invasions and conquests.


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