Spanish Military Escorting Out Moroccan Invaders (Ceuta)

[Cernunnos]

European borders weren't drawn by 'outsiders', yet European history is characterized by a long list of wars, ethnic conflicts and emigration of large amount of people to the New World.

Europe is an extension of Asia, Europe only exists as a Continent because of different cultures and ethnic groups in there compared with Asia.

Most European's DNA came somewhen, somewhere from Asia.

If it wasn't for geographic proximity with the Middle East for example, perhaps Europe would be by now a giant mass of Celtic tribes with some cannibalistic tendencies...

[Universe]

Or maybe it has to do with Capitalist western societies who are interested in exploiting third world cheap labour force,

Is there an article or study that shows Moroccans have a positive fiscal impact on Spanish economy? I wouldn't be surprised if they exploited Spanish society more than the other way around.

or do you really think that Spain is a Socialist country?

To subsidize unemployed people is a socialist policy.

[Jaromir]

yes, but who is who there? phenotypically indistinguishable

[perikolez]

Yo lo que más me irrita dentro del españolismo son los que hablan de recuperar las relaciones de amistad y cooperación con Marruecos cuando llevan dando por culo y chantajeando a España desde hace 50 años. Primero fue Sidi Ifni, después fue el Sahara Español donde utilizaron una táctica parecida al estos días, donde el emérito y sus compinches se encargaron de completar una mayores ridículos que jamás ha hecho un país. Ahora quieren Ceuta y Melilla y las Canarias y utilizando la misma táctica de siempre, porque les salió redondo en 1975. En otoño del año pasado no había ningún lider saharahui en España, y bien que enviaron masivamente un montón de moritos a las Canarias, porque entonces a su rey le debió entra algún momento de enfado y la pago con las Canarias. Yo espero que con esto la izquierda española se haya dado cuenta con Marruecos no puede haber buenrollismo y hay que tratarlos como hizo Aznar en el Perejil en uno de sus poquísimos momentos de lucidez. También debería pensarse en el lado español seriamente en pasarse definitivamente al eje del mal y aliarse con Argelia para joder a Marruecos, Francia, y porque no un poco a los EEUU. Los argelinos son también unos follacabras pero tienen gas, es el principal enemigo de Marruecos, y el único país díscolo a los gabachos dentro de la francofonía, y el que realmente siempre le ha interesado a Francia muy por encima de Marruecos.

Por último, no tiene ninguna lógica llamar agujeros a dos ciudades como Ceuta y Melilla, que después de Tanger, parece que son los mejores puertos de esa costa, y sin embargo estar llorando por recuperar un roca de 6 km2 llamada Gibraltar. Ceuta o Melilla valen muchisimo más que Gibraltar.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yo lo que más me irrita dentro del españolismo son los que hablan de recuperar las relaciones de amistad y cooperación con Marruecos cuando llevan dando por culo y chantajeando a España desde hace 50 años.

¿¿Qué parte del españolismo quiere recuperar relaciones con Marruecos?? ¿recuperar? para recuperar primero deberíamos haberlas tenido.

Por último, no tiene ninguna lógica llamar agujeros a dos ciudades como Ceuta y Melilla, que después de Tanger, parece que son los mejores puertos de esa costa, y sin embargo estar llorando por recuperar un roca de 6 km2 llamada Gibraltar. Ceuta o Melilla valen muchisimo más que Gibraltar.

No valen pa na. Ceutas y Melillas hay unas cuantas en la otra orilla del Mediterráneo. Algeciras, Málaga, Cádiz, Cartagena, Alicante, Valencia....

[Universe]

yes, but who is who there? phenotypically indistinguishable

[Universe]

Europe is an extension of Asia, Europe only exists as a Continent because of different cultures and ethnic groups in there compared with Asia.

Most European's DNA came somewhen, somewhere from Asia.

If it wasn't for geographic proximity with the Middle East for example, perhaps Europe would be by now a giant mass of Celtic tribes with some cannibalistic tendencies...

Most of European dna coming from Asia/somewhere else is something debatable, unless you mean it came from Africa.

Proto-indo european homeland wasn't in Asia but in Eastern Europe. People from yamnaya culture were majority ANE and WHG + some Basal, so mostly derivative of indigeneous Europeans. ANE descend from paleolithic Europeans and mongoloids. Anatolian farmers were a mix of basal and WHG people. So I think majority of European dna is from Europe as it's mostly WHG/WHG derived. If you go far back enough it's from Africa, but autosomal ancestors of modern Europeans were the first group to be in Europe first (not considering Erectus and Neanderthals for obvious reasons).

Nevertheless I don't see how any of the 3 things you listed is relevant to the discussion.

[Cernunnos]

Is there an article or study that shows Moroccans have a positive fiscal impact on Spanish economy? I wouldn't be surprised if they exploited Spanish society more than the other way around.

To subsidize unemployed people is a socialist policy.

It is the third world immigrants who benefit medium-large corporations by being employed by them. Merkel didn't accept all those refugees because she felt compassion for them, that was the narrative, the real reason is because those who are behind her told her to do so, I bet those who "advised" her profited a lot with it.

A practical example.

This is Joe, Joe is an average English guy who works for 10 years for his IT company, he has a decent monthly salary but his company is struggling to raise profits from the previous years, that indicates that perhaps in the long run they might start having financial losses and an hypothetical bankruptcy. But Raviv from India or Pakistan is an IT graduate and has come recently to England, he has struggled to be able to migrate to England and accepts a 3 times lower salary than that of Joe.

What will the owners of such company decide? Keep Joe who is experienced but has labour and wage demands or Raviv who might be new to England, but has some experience back in India and speaks a decent English?

Now convert that into a non educated job, where you don't need a Phd or a graduation to work, like Uber services, sewer maintenance, farming/garden jobs....

Boss/CEO/Owner Roger Smith will always prefer Raviv to Joe....

[Universe]

It is the third world immigrants who benefit medium-large corporations by being employed by them. Merkel didn't accept all those refugees because she felt compassion for them, that was the narrative, the real reason is because those who are behind her told her to do so, I bet those who "advised" her profited a lot with it.

A practical example.

This is Joe, Joe is an average English guy who works for 10 years for his IT company, he has a decent monthly salary but his company is struggling to raise profits from the previous years, that indicates that perhaps in the long run they might start having financial losses and an hypothetical bankruptcy. But Raviv from India or Pakistan is an IT graduate and has come recently to England, he has struggled to be able to migrate to England and accepts a 3 times lower salary than that of Joe.

What will the owners of such company decide? Keep Joe who is experienced but has labour and wage demands or Raviv who might be new to England, but has some experience back in India and speaks a decent English?

Now convert that into a non educated job, where you don't need a Phd or a graduation to work, like Uber services, sewer maintenance, farming/garden jobs....

Boss/CEO/Owner Roger Smith will always prefer Raviv to Joe....

So they could have a positive impact on a particular company not necessarily on the whole society as you claimed first.
I will believe the supposed positive fiscal impact of immigrants and their descendants on a country's economy when I see statistics on it.

[Cernunnos]

So they could have a positive impact on a particular company not necessarily on the whole society as you claimed first.
I will believe the supposed positive fiscal impact of immigrants and their descendants on a country's economy when I see statistics on it.

Where did I claim that they had any positive or negative impact on a society?

Do you think I'm advocating for Immigration? LOL..... I'm nor against or for immigration. In these days (and since the 18th/19th century) immigrants become immigrants because they feel the need to migrate to anywhere, not because they wish to do so.