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    I remember this guy, "Jean, Conde de Paris" because of a report on Brazilian TV, where he was said to be the great-grandson of the grandson of the Emperor of Brazil Pedro II



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethel View Post
    I am much more interested, how much of medieval nobility was still a
    nobility in XVIII century, and how many of all of them is alive today.





    Precisely you mean: that 2500 were recognized by Napoleon and rest not, OR that 15500
    were totaly wiped out, and all who survived (i.e. 2500) were recognized by the Empire?


    I don't find clear number about it. The estimation of the number of curent nobles family from the medieval noble is from 2500 to 3000.
    The estimation of the number of noble family in medieval times was 12 000 to 25 000.
    Considering the syze of the population the number of 12 000 sounds more logical.

    The rules to be noble are very strict, coming from a noble family is not enought, being noble is also a lifestyle. So the decline is not only due to the revolution.

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    Wikipedia The French nobility (French: la noblesse) was a privileged social class in France during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern period to the revolution in 1790. The nobility was revived in 1805 with limited rights as a titled elite class from the First Empire to the fall of the July Monarchy in 1848, when all privileges were permanently abolished. Hereditary titles, without privileges, continued to be granted until the Second Empire fell in 1870. They survive among their descendants as a social convention and as part of the legal name of the corresponding individuals.

    In the political system of pre-Revolutionary France, the nobility made up the Second Estate of the Estates General (with the Catholic clergy comprising the First Estate and the bourgeoisie and peasants in the Third Estate). Although membership in the noble class was mainly inherited, it was not a fully closed order. New individuals were appointed to the nobility by the monarchy, or they could purchase rights and titles, or join by marriage.

    Sources differ about the actual number of nobles in France; however, proportionally, it was among the smallest noble classes in Europe. For the year 1789, French historian François Bluche gives a figure of 140,000 nobles (9,000 noble families) and states that about 5% of nobles could claim descent from feudal nobility before the 15th century. With a total population of 28 million, this would represent merely 0.5%. Historian Gordon Wright gives a figure of 300,000 nobles (of which 80,000 were from the traditional noblesse d'épée), which agrees with the estimation of historian Jean de Viguerie, or a little over 1%. In terms of land holdings, at the time of the revolution, noble estates comprised about one-fifth of the land.

    The First World War took a huge toll on noble families. It has been estimated that one third of noble family names became extinct through the deaths of their last bearers.

    In 1975, there were 239 remaining families holding First Empire titles. Of those, perhaps 130–140 were titled. Only one title of prince and seven titles of duke remain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    I am no expert on France but I would guess at least not in an official capacity but maybe an underground la cosa nostra black nobility.
    Dread lords. Black coats of arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBond007 View Post
    The real French nobility was deposed of before Napoleon by Constantine and the conspiring mayors of the palace who exploited the trusting nature of the Merovingian Dragons. Replacing the true nobility , in Europe , everywhere the cheating peasants lied, cheated and poisoned their way to the top. That is why the masses lost trust in the Aristocracy which lead to the French revolution. etc...
    The French Revolution was orchestrated by Freemasons

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