Germany and Croatia strongly condemn Bulgaria over Macedonia

[Crn Volk]

Many young people are ashamed to admit it in front of relatives.

There were low vote rates even in BG itself. I didnt vote aswell. So?

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GDU party of Bulgarians in Macedonia (subsidiary of Karakachanov's VMRO) only got about 2,000 votes in the last MK elections. Another massive fail.

[Archduke]

GDU party of Bulgarians in Macedonia (subsidiary of Karakachanov's VMRO) only got about 2,000 votes in the last MK elections. Another massive fail.

I don't get your point. Since I didn't vote aswell, that makes me less Bulgarian? More than half of the Bulgarians are like me.

Things here are different than in Australia I guess.

Btw.....

Османи: Дијаспората од Канада и Австралија со слаб интерес за пописот

На прво место е Швајцарија со околу 16 илјади, што е една четвртина од очекуваните бројки, потоа следат Германија со 10 илјади, Италија со шест илјади, додека во Канада и Австралија имаме далеку послаби резултати, за што како одговорно Министерство преземаме дополнителни активности и повикуваме што поголем број да се охрабрат и одвојат неколку минути за овој процес, изјави денеска на прес-конференција министерот за надворешни работи, Бујар Османи.

https://fokus.mk/osmani-dijasporata-...es-za-popisot/

[Diego Garcia]

Concerning to this issue I have some doubts and some questions to ask, in order to make clear my knowledge about this:


1. Wasn't the current territory of North Makedonia part of Bulgaria for ages and until the otoman invasion of the region?

2. Isn't considered the north makedonian language a bulgarian dialect by some linguists?

3. Is it true or not that the ex-yugoslavian authorities intervened in north makedonian people through a process of indoctrination in order to make forget the supposed historical relations between north Makedonia and Bulgaria?

4. Is it true or not that the ex-yugoslavian authorities made even change the ending of the north makedonian family names in order them not to sound like bulgarian?


Thanks in advance.

[PAGANE]

The answer to all your questions is "Yes, it's true"

[catgeorge]

Its born from communist shitholes and we dont know of nor recognize any ottoman borders. heir are like ottoman communists with Serbian twist to eliminate Bulgarian identity.

The war Greeks had during the Balkan wars was against Bulgarian people there was no Macedonian army during the Balkan wars. This statelet is a Serb commie shithole.

[Crn Volk]

Concerning to this issue I have some doubts and some questions to ask, in order to make clear my knowledge about this:


1. Wasn't the current territory of North Makedonia part of Bulgaria for ages and until the otoman invasion of the region?

2. Isn't considered the north makedonian language a bulgarian dialect by some linguists?

3. Is it true or not that the ex-yugoslavian authorities intervened in north makedonian people through a process of indoctrination in order to make forget the supposed historical relations between north Makedonia and Bulgaria?

4. Is it true or not that the ex-yugoslavian authorities made even change the ending of the north makedonian family names in order them not to sound like bulgarian?


Thanks in advance.

This is Macedonia before the Ottoman conquest



The area was ruled by Serbs then, not Bulgarians. In fact N Macedonia was part of the Byzantine Empire for far longer than either Serbia or Bulgaria

[GalenStark]

Don't talk about all Macedonians, because many Macedonians do identify as Bulgarian, officially they are 120 000, 10%of the Slavic population of fyrom. We do have also members here who admit it openly, and some who don't, because they might be rejected by some of their countrymen. Basically the same as in real life.

The last population census was in 2001. No other country in Europe avoids these censuses. They wanted to do it this year, but Bulgaria wanted from them to add a graph "Bulgarian". They didnt do it bcs of "covid". If they did, the result would be total catastrophe for Macedonism

Austrians call their language Deutsch, they dont call it Österreichisch. Only on the Balkans we have banana republics where people speak one language but call it with 20 different names.

We cannot be together in one union with a country based on anti-Bulgarism. If fyrom wins this time, the yugo macedonians will become even more greedy, like claiming Bulgarian Macedonia, as geographically our Macedonia is also North Macedonia. They will do it, trust me.

They just need to:

1.Respect the rights of the Bulgarians in the country (10% officially). They cannot send to jail people just because they are Bulgarian.
They should also stop the demolishment if BG culture in Macedonia.
2. They must recognize the origin of their language.
3. They should stop identifying with people who are part of the Bulgarian history and call then incorrectly Macedonian. They have enough peoole to be proud of after 1945.

The EU is not the Soviet union, where people were sent to jail and gulags because of their views. Or to ruin historical heritage. Or the system ro raise its children with hate towards the neighbour.

Weren't there Slavic tribes in Northern Macedonia before the spread of the Bulgarian empire?

Does it stand to reason that some Slavs in North Macedonia still identify with the geographical term Macedonia under Byzantines, as opposed to the imposed identity of the first and second Bulgarian empires?

Whereby, the 7 Slavic tribes(more traditionally Bulgarian), would have assimilated to some degree North Macedonian Slavs?

Some of which were possibly settled since the Avaro-Slavic raids into Macedonia, Greece and Albania?

Maybe there was always a localized divergent element that became more popular/widespread after the break from Bulgaria?

Just food for thought.

[PAGANE]

Around 680, a group of proto-Bulgarians, Slavs and Byzantines, led by Khan Kuber / brother of Khan Asparuh, the founder of Danube Bulgaria /, settled in the Keramisi fields, the area of ​​today's town of Bitola, leaving the Avar Haganate. Here they established themselves as independent, created their Kuberova Bulgaria and, as noted in the inscriptions of the Madara Horseman / the rocks around the village of Madara, near the first capital of Bulgaria Pliska /, kept in touch with Asparuhova Bulgaria and participated in its foreign policy negotiations.
In 808 Khan Krum advanced on Ser.
During the reign of Khan Presian (836 - 852) from 837 most of the district entered the borders of the Bulgarian state to the Blue Sea / today the Adriatic Sea /.
During the reign of Prince Boris-Mihail (852 - 889) Bulgaria converted to Christianity, and the Ohrid Literary School became the second most important cultural and educational center along with the capital Pliska. The king himself accepted Christianity according to a stone inscription near the present-day town of Berat / in Albania /
Under Tsar Simeon the Great / son of Boris Michael / the literary flourishing continued, and the area / territory of today's Northern Macedonia / became internal: the Bulgarian borders covered not only neighboring Serbia and Epirus, but also Thessaly, as well as the rest of today's Albania. . After the conquest of the Bulgarian capital Preslav by the Byzantine emperor Ioan Tsimishi in 971, the capital of Bulgaria moved successively to Skopje, Prespa, Ohrid and Bitola / today cities in the Republic of Northern Macedonia /, here is the seat of the Bulgarian patriarch and today's Albania and Northern Macedonia. are the center of the Bulgarian state, which in those years stretched from Dobrudjaprez Banat / today in Romania /, Belgrade / Serbia / and Sofia to Drach / Albania / and Larissa / Greece /.
In 1018, after crushing the resistance of Presian II in Tomor, the voivode Ivac in Mount Vrhot (now in Albania), Vidin and Sermon in Srem, Bulgaria fell under Byzantine rule under Emperor Basil II, a Bulgarian assassin after 47 years of struggle. The Byzantine government incorporated the region into the military-administrative area (theme) Bulgaria, and the Bulgarian Patriarchate was transformed into the Ohrid Archbishopric. But the conqueror was not here in his own lands, only twenty-three years later in 1040 the Bulgarians from Srem and Vidin through Sofia to Ioannina and Lamia rose up and proclaimed Peter Delyan their king. Byzantine rule was imposed again at the cost of prolonged military efforts, but only thirty-one years later in 1072 the descendant of the Bulgarian Kavkhans Georgi Voiteh led the re-emerged Bulgarians and liberated the lands from Kostur to Nis. Byzantine rule was restored only thanks to the huge military potential of the empire.
Only ten years after the return of Bulgaria's independence, Tsar Ivan Asen I invaded Skopje in 1195 and restored the sovereignty of the Bulgarian kingdom in the area. Under his brothers, Tsars Peter and Kaloyan, the Bulgarian state borders covered the territories from Pristina / today in Albania / to Serbia / today in Greece /.
After the death of Tsar Kaloyan, the region of Macedonia was ruled by his cousins ​​despot Alexius Slav / title introduced in 1163 by the Byzantine emperor Manuel I Comnenus as the highest title after Vasilevs / and Sevastocrator Strez / title was introduced by the Byzantine emperor its older brother and is composed of the words "sevast" (the Greek analogue of the Latin title "Augustus" and "autocrat"). It is the second most important title, after that of Vasilevs-autocrat (ie - the king -an autocrat), much later was displaced to third place by the title "despot". Under Tsar Ivan Asen II, the district was among the districts directly subordinated to the tsar, specified in the Dubrovnik charter, and the country again had a wide outlet to the Blue Sea / Adriatic /.
Towards the middle of the 13th century the Bulgarian boyars of Skopje were Tikh and his son Konstantin Tikh, who in 1257 was elected by the boyar council in Tarnovo - the capital of Bulgaria as king of Bulgaria.
After Ivailo overthrew Tsar Constantine the Quiet, power in the region passed through many hands - shortly before the beginning of the 14th century Byzantine rule was briefly restored, by 1336 the area was conquered by the Serbs and became part of the Dushan kingdom, which existed nominally until 1371. , whose capital is the city of Skopje. By 1356, only ten years after the death of Serbian Tsar Stefan Dusan, the Serbian state was disintegrating and until the Ottoman invasion of the Balkans, the region was dominated by the Kingdom of Prilep, a Balkan state that existed between 1371 and 1395. It was founded on the personal possessions of Vulkašin Mrnjavčević, who received the title of King from the Serbian Tsar Stefan Uroš V. After the death of the two in 1371, the son of Vulkashin, King Marko, claimed to rule all of Serbia, but failed to prevail over the other contenders for the throne and effectively ruled his own kingdom centered in Prilep. In the last years of his life, Marco was a vassal of the Ottoman Empire, which after his death in 1395 annexed his possession, making it the basis of the Ohrid Sandzak.
However, resistance to Turkish rule did not cease for five centuries in the form of riots and uprisings

[PAGANE]

It is indisputable that the "Macedonian language" is a type of dialectal expression of the Bulgarian literary norm, based on southwestern Bulgarian dialects. This is clear to any literate Slavic linguist, and from a serious scientific point of view this thesis does not tolerate any criticism. From a political point of view, the "Macedonian language" is another institutionalized state norm of the Bulgarian language, which has become an official language in a certain Bulgarian ethno-geographical area. However, Skopje's preconceived thesis that the language is essentially non-Bulgarian, and hence the conclusion that the population that speaks it is also non-Bulgarian, creates the political field in which the grounds for the conflict called "Language dispute". The ideology of the small and young Balkan state of Macedonia is based on the denial of everything Bulgarian that is found in the "Macedonian". This ideology, however, cannot answer a fundamental question, namely the question of the ethnogenesis of today's Macedonians. Accepting the conclusion that the Macedonians are non-Bulgarians, the question is automatically asked what they are and where they come from as a phenomenon on the modern political scene. Hence the dilemma for Skopje's pseudo-historians. The lack of their own domestic relevance in the present, and possibly in the future, makes them look for such in the millennia ago, going back to Antiquity in the then brief state of the ancient Macedonians, which are scientifically proven to have long been disappeared from the historical scene. And that today's Macedonians have nothing in common with them, neither linguistically, nor anthropologically, nor historically. The dilemma of Skopje's "science" is almost unsolvable, because the countries that recognize the independence of the "Macedonian language" are unanimous about its indisputable belonging to the Slavic language family, and in particular to the structural features of speech and literary language in modern Bulgaria.As early as the middle of the 9th century, the Bulgarian Empire introduced the Old Slavonic language as an official state language, recognized as a liturgical language by both Constantinople and Rome. In the following centuries on the territories of today's Bulgaria and the present-day Republic of Northern Macedonia the local dialects underwent a unique evolution for the Slavic curves. They lose maturations and infinitive forms. They accept articulation and future tense with a particle derived from the verb "will" (want), etc. The Bulgarian language, as well as its southwestern written-regional norm also known as the Macedonian literary norm, which is an official language of its origin and structural-typological characteristics are identical. Moreover, Bulgarian is an analytical language, unlike all other Slavic languages ​​that are synthetic, and in this case the language that is official in the Republic of Northern Macedonia as identical to Bulgarian also belongs to the analytical languages.
If you are interested, you can read this material called in English "The White Paper on the Language Dispute between Bulgaria and RS Macedonia" https://www.scribd.com/document/4976...orth-Macedonia The study was written by three authors from the Republic of Northern Macedonia, three from Bulgaria and one each from Albania and Serbia. The book traces the historical development of the Bulgarian language. Particular attention is paid to the emergence of the modern Bulgarian literary language and the role of the Bulgarian Revivalists, born on the territory of today's Republic of Northern Macedonia. The modern falsifications that are planted among the younger generation through the current textbooks are shown. Examples of destruction of Bulgarian cultural and historical monuments are given. The mass character of the repressions in the imposition of these falsifications is revealed, and concrete examples are given from documents of the Ministry of Interior in Skopje, certifying the persecution of the Bulgarian literary language nowadays. The content includes:
Introduction
The Bulgarian language in the past and today:
Codification of the "Macedonian" language:
Examples from the current textbooks for 2020 in the imposition of the lie about the historical continuity of the "Macedonian" language. Comparison of false allegations and falsifications with the originals
Language situation in RS Macedonia today
Conclusion
Selected bibliography
Applications
Linguistic parallels - dialects, languages, medieval texts
Forgeries of literary monuments
Forgery and destruction of stone inscriptions
Collections of folk tales by Macedonian figures The truth about the early Macedonians
Official statistics of the Ottoman Empire from 1902 for the population of some areas, located today on the territory of RS Macedonia

[Archduke]

This is Macedonia before the Ottoman conquest



The area was ruled by Serbs then, not Bulgarians. In fact N Macedonia was part of the Byzantine Empire for far longer than either Serbia or Bulgaria

The area was named Bulgaria when it was under the Byzantines.

The area between Plovdiv and Odrin was called Macedonia.