Which groups are either more or less OWD/White-loving than they're stereotyped to be?

[Tooting Carmen]

I see your point but would replace "Caribbean's" with Caribbean men. Caribbean women here do not seem that interested in White men, it is Caribbean men who overwhelmingly mix out (to the point in which Afro-Caribbean's as a group are declining massively here).

Not as much, but quite a lot of Caribbean women in relationships (circa 30% according to studies) do marry White men too. And yeah, your point about Black Caribbeans shrinking as an ethnic group is one I often make myself when responding to those who think that the growth of non-whites in Western nations is always irreversible.

"South-Asians" are pretty broad as a group. Indian women and White men are a growing mix here, and Hindu culture is inherently OWD and colourist.

But it is also very ethnically exclusive, in a way almost like Judaism. The crucial point is that even most middle-class South Asians (Hindu or otherwise) don't view marrying a White person as necessarily "moving up in the world" like so many Caribbean men in particular do.

I do not believe Pakistanis are OWD or White-loving. Though I've read anecdotal evidence of Pakistanis treating White Islamic converts very differently to Black ones but that could just be a result of racism from some Pakistanis towards Black people, rather than fondness of White people.

Yes probably.

[Ayetooey]

I didn't realize it was as high as 30%, it is a mix I basically never see in person though I'm sure it exists. Hindus, Sikhs etc have their own religious cultures which are yes, pretty ethnically exclusive. Afro-Caribbean's are very Anglo influenced culturally, are protestant Christians by background etc, so it does make sense that there would be less barriers there. But despite South Asians being less "White-loving" which I would broadly agree with, I would still argue they are more OWD, just in a different way. Skin lightening is a huge industry among South Asians both in the diaspora and the sub-continent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53275734

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...em-ncna1233549

[Ayetooey]

Miss India contestants which all look the same.

[Andullero]

IMO Caribbeans tend to be more OWD (or rather White-loving) than they're stereotyped to be, and South Asians are less so than they're stereotyped to be. Although there are indeed some South Asians who are either (a) really obsessed with pale skin or (b) very Anglophile, I don't think this represents the bulk of them and most are indifferent if not contemptuous towards Whites. By contrast, a lot of Caribbeans - especially men but in no small measure many women too - really do consider marrying a White person as one of life's greatest goals, even if the White partner they end up with may well be poorer and less-educated than them.

Yeah, but you are leaving out the "Hanky Panky" variable here, as in, many of those Carib men do hook with White gals (or chaps) as a means to escape their island reality too. Not all the islands have the somewhat elevated standard of living of Barbados, Bahamas or Trinidad.

[Tooting Carmen]

I didn't realize it was as high as 30%, it is a mix I basically never see in person though I'm sure it exists. Hindus, Sikhs etc have their own religious cultures which are yes, pretty ethnically exclusive. Afro-Caribbean's are very Anglo influenced culturally, are protestant Christians by background etc, so it does make sense that there would be less barriers there. But despite South Asians being less "White-loving" which I would broadly agree with, I would still argue they are more OWD, just in a different way. Skin lightening is a huge industry among South Asians both in the diaspora and the sub-continent.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53275734

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...em-ncna1233549

Yeah I am aware of the skin lightening business, and also how Bollywood disproportionately features lighter-skinned actors in a way not unlike the Latin American telenovelas. Nevertheless, I'd still argue that Indians and Pakistanis are much more "they're own thing", have a rich and distinct civilisation of their own and are less vulnerable to Anglo brainwashing, if that makes sense. By contrast, like I claimed in a thread of mine some weeks ago, the Caribbean is to Britain what most of Latin America is to Spain - overwhelmingly non-white societies which nevertheless are largely European creations and have disproportionately White elites, thus creating an often very perverse dynamic and psychology.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah, but you are leaving out the "Hanky Panky" variable here, as in, many of those Carib men do hook with White gals (or chaps) as a means to escape their island reality too. Not all the islands have the somewhat elevated standard of living of Barbados, Bahamas or Trinidad.

Even the Jamaicas and Trinidads are still more prosperous than Pakistan, Bangladesh and most of India, yet despite its extreme poverty the Indian Subcontinent (at least in per capita terms) has nothing like the levels of sex tourism the Caribbean has. Therefore, there have got to be other factors at play too.

[Andullero]

the Caribbean is to Britain what most of Latin America is to Spain - overwhelmingly non-white societies which nevertheless are largely European creations and have disproportionately White elites, thus creating an often very perverse dynamic and psychology.

There is a crucial difference here: The Caribbean doesn't really have an autochtonous "core" like continental Latin America has, so it will take a longer time for some sort of ethnonationalism to arise here, whereas in the continent you only need the Amerindians (or adjacent populations) to gain more in numbers and consciousness for a reawakening to happen.

[Tooting Carmen]

There is a crucial difference here: The Caribbean doesn't really have an autochtonous "core" like continental Latin America has, so it will take a longer time for some sort of ethnonationalism to arise here, whereas in the continent you only need the Amerindians (or adjacent populations) to gain more in numbers and consciousness for a reawakening to happen.

I thought it was more the other way round: Blacks (or part-Blacks) are the overwhelming majority throughout the Caribbean, whereas Latin America (even Guatemala and Bolivia) is a whole mixture of things.

[Andullero]

Even the Jamaicas and Trinidads are still more prosperous than Pakistan, Bangladesh and most of India, yet despite its extreme poverty the Indian Subcontinent (at least in per capita terms) has nothing like the levels of sex tourism the Caribbean has. Therefore, there have got to be other factors at play too.

British (and French in the case of Indochina) colonialism could never superimpose itself over the local millennial folkways in South Asia, so this might be the thing you might be looking for as a likely explanation for their closed nature.

[Andullero]

I thought it was more the other way round: Blacks (or part-Blacks) are the overwhelming majority throughout the Caribbean, whereas Latin America (even Guatemala and Bolivia) is a whole mixture of things.

Yeah, but those Blacks are wholly transplanted peoples. They really don't have the attachment for the land that Amerinds (or indomestizos) have, otherwise, Garveyism wouldnt have made such a splash and stir things in such a way as to make the Deep State clamp down on his and his acolytes' ass.