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    I don't find it "curious" at all, rather logical.

    One is son of their father and mother's. So, it's logical --and not curious-- one to bring both surnames.

    I find the portuguese way even more logic --first the mother's surname, and secondly the father's--, since one usually knows who their mother is, but not always their father.

    The women generally haven't been that underestimated in Iberia than in the ultrapyrenean countries, and especially intense after the lutheran schism. The women conserved their rights under the Catholicism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouistreham View Post
    This weird custom is probably related to the very special distribution of surnames in the Hispanic cultures:
    • 1 - on one side, a few surnames are horridly common: you hardly find a group of, say, fifty or sixty Spanish persons without at least two Sanchez, two Garcias, two Martinez, more than one Lopez, Gonzalez etc. (it's like the countless Anderssons and Karlssons in Sweden).
    • 2 - besides, there are a huge number of very rare surnames (often of Basque or Catalan origin) whose survival is endangered.

    My hypothesis is that the custom of double surnames serves a more or less conscious rationale:
    • it allows to better distinguish the individuals of the 1rst category,
    • it allows the surnames of the 2nd category to be maintained a little bit longer.
    Nice try mon chčr, in all your innocence you made a decent reasoning, but there's a third way explanation.... Inquisition records to allow tracing your ancestors to the conversion moment. Until the late 18th/ early 19th century all that stuff was registered by local parishes to trace new christians...likewise at least in Portugal (not sure about Spain) gypsies were not allowed to become citizens until the stupid liberal revolutions started by french mason jacobites.
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    I don't understand the spanish system. People there are not known by the last name but by the penultimate name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    I don't understand the spanish system. People there are not known by the last name but by the penultimate name.
    What? I can't understand what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diego Garcia View Post
    What? I can't understand what you mean.
    For example:

    Gerard Piqué Bernabéu

    Sergio Ramos García

    Their last names are Bernabéu and Garcia but they identify with the previous surname which is not their last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    For example:

    Gerard Piqué Bernabéu

    Sergio Ramos García

    Their last names are Bernabéu and Garcia but they identify with the previous surname which is not their last.

    Ah, okay, okay. I got it now.

    Family names or last names are both of them: the first last name would be the father's surname; the second last surname would be the mother's surname, in order to shorten.

    Yes, usually we're indentified or called or referencied by our name (Pepe, Paco, Federico, Sergio, etc.) and our first surname (our father's name), following our system of surnames. But normally and officially through both last surnames (aside from our name), especially before the Administration.

    But not always, some people are recognised or referencied by their second surname, i.e., their mother's surname. E.g.: Antonio González Banderas ==> Antonio Banderas; José Luís Rodríguez Zapatero ==> José Luis Zapatero, due to different reasons.

    But the most usual way it's one of their names (Francisco, José, Federico) and their first surname, their father's name. Administratively
    --public or private--, both of them.

    In Spain and in most countries in Hispano America, I think.

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    By the way, the thread title sounds like some Sherlock Holmes's novel lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    I don't understand the spanish system. People there are not known by the last name but by the penultimate name.
    The same thing happens to me with portuguese system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
    The same thing happens to me with portuguese system.
    It's pretty straight forward, people are known by the first and last names:

    Bruno Miguel Borges Fernandes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis View Post
    It's pretty straight forward, people are known by the first and last names:

    Bruno Miguel Borges Fernandes
    It's pretty straight forward, people are known by both 1st given name and 1st surname:

    Bruno Miguel Borges Fernandes

    It is also common to list names starting with the surname so you read the first surname:

    Borges Fernandes, Bruno...

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