Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst 12345
Results 41 to 41 of 41

Thread: Did Slavs originate from the Volga River region

  1. #41
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"


    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Last Online
    04-15-2024 @ 05:51 PM
    Location
    Pole position
    Ethnicity
    Polish
    Country
    Poland
    Y-DNA
    R1b
    mtDNA
    W6a
    Gender
    Posts
    21,462
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 20,923
    Given: 18,998

    0 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by rothaer View Post
    Yeah, probably there was a little "soczewica, koło, miele, młyn" event at 3rd of September 1939.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
    Here is my (Peter K) discussion about those events with Michael Mills on Axis History Forum:

    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...3697&start=510

    https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post7246141

    And my summary of what happened (of course Mills as a III Reich apologist disagrees with it):

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter K
    Rather it was a partly planned & partly spontaneous outburst of anti-Polish rage on the part of the German population & saboteurs, who started to shoot at columns of Polish military units marching across the city from positions located in high points like towers of churches, windows & attics of houses, all along the march roads of Polish units (we can see on the map posted above that spots where German armed saboteurs & armed civilians opened fire to Polish soldiers are located along the streets along which those Polish units marched across the city).

    Volksdeutsche were encouraged by sounds of the nearby front (which gave them the confidence that the city was going to very soon be "liberated" by Wehrmacht - which was not the case as it turned out, because Polish defence of the "Bydgoszcz Bridgehead" - area west of the city - turned out to be stronger than expected) and by Nazi saboteurs sent to the city to start the entire action and draw also part of local population into this anti-Polish "uprising".

    Shooting at Polish soldiers and militiamen was recorded from over 180 spots in the city, including ca. 8 - 9 churches (if I counted it correctly using that poor resolution map). This indicates large scale of the "uprising".

    Among the 618 German dead of these events, just 238+ are local citizens - while the other group of 286+ of these dead are saboteurs who were nonresident population and had been sent to Bydgoszcz with certain task.

    Moreover - of the 618 German dead, 546 are men and only 72 women - while in pogroms of civilians proportion of male & female victims is roughly 50/50. Which means that no pogrom was perpetrated in this case.

    It was a military & paramilitary action planned mainly by Nazi Germany's Military Intelligence (Abwehr).

    (...)
    Another of my old posts on that subject, one of my responses to Michael Mills:

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter K
    Bydgoszcz in August 1939 had 143,075 inhabitants - including 9208 Germans (of them 2105 Catholics).

    But one has to be blind to believe in Michael Mills' claims about alleged "political neutrality" or "lack of anti-Polish sentiment" of these Germans. Quite the contrary - the Bydgoszcz community of Germans was very active in the field of politics. Nationalistic pro-Hitler and anti-Polish sentiments were very strong among its members.

    Of these 9208 as many as 2170 belonged to pro-Nazi Deutsche Vereinigung - DV (as of 1937).

    Michael previously asked about the role of evangelical churches in the sabotage in Bydgoszcz... He claimed that this is just "paranoid", "Catholic paranoia", to claim that even 8 out of 180 spots from which saboteurs shot (so not even 5% of all) were evangelical churches! Well, Michael - it happens that one of members of the local "department" of Deutsche Vereinigung in Bydgoszcz, was Julius Assmann (1868 - 1939) - who was at the same time the director (superintendent in Polish - not sure about translation) of the evangelical church!

    And one of members of a board of the local DV in Bydgoszcz - Otton Niefeldt - was an agent of Abwehrstelle in Stettin! DV had many more influential members with pro-Nazi or pro-Reich connections! Some of them probably died in the events on 3 & 4 September, as they have 1939 as the year of their death (like Assmann).

    Further 700 (as of 1937 - in 1939 even more) - mainly young Germans - belonged to Jungdeutsche Partei.

    Germans belonging to pro-Nazi Jungdeutsche Partei were described by Polish authorities in 1937 as:

    "JP consists of combative element, full of enthusiasm, active, aggressive, sincerely professing Adolf Hitler's slogans and believing in possibility of their implementation in practice."

    Further 480 German inhabitants of Bydgoszcz - as of 1937 - belonged to Nationalsozialistische Deutsche
    Arbeiterpartei - NSDAP. I don't have to say that this party was "pro-Nazi" - it was simply Nazi.

    About activities of the Nazi Party's "department" in Bydgoszcz, it was reported:


    "This party, consisting in Bydgoszcz and in the Bydgoszcz periphery of 480 members, apart from propaganda work, full of radically nationalistic spirit, is expanding the net of influences especially in organizations and in business firms, sending its agents there. Activity of this party is secretive and utterly hostile to the Polish state."


    The activity of this party was formally illegal, but was tolerated by the Polish authorities.

    Apart from these political parties above, there were 42 more officialy non-political organizations of local Germans (as you can see Germans in Bydgoszcz were a very well organized community) - which were - to lesser or greater extent - influenced by the "brown" ideology of Good Uncle Hitler residing on the other side of the border...

    Ferdinand Lang in his "Denkschrift an Herrn Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring", Bromberg 1 V 1940, wrote:


    "A front of unity against the Polish state was formed in Bromberg. In 1935 in Bromberg a memorial to the then Polish prime minister Slawek was drawn up, in which it was clearly stated, that we - Germans in Poland - stand on the ground of the National-Socialist worldview and that we will fight with all available legal means for spiritual assimilation with the worldview of the Fatherland of our origin."


    Some more quotes about attitudes of Germans towards their Polish neighbours in post-1934 Bydgoszcz:


    "(...) Germans more and more often underlined their affiliation to the Reich, they did not try to hide their contemptuous attitude towards Polishness, they demonstratively used German language, they used Nazi salutations. Especially German youth, who were encompassed by German organizations, pastors and teachers with special care, being educated by them for nationalists and enemies of the [Polish] state, behaved like this."


    Another one:


    "Emotionally local Germans gravitate towards the Reich, and their external loyalty towards Poland is only the result of cold calculation and reason. But if they are ever going to have an opportunity to choose between feelings and reason, they will follow the voice of feelings."


    Source:

    (...)

    So - as you can see - there was very "fertile ground" for the "seed of sabotage" in Bydgoszcz...
    Last edited by Peterski; 07-18-2021 at 01:03 PM.

Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst 12345

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. All Slavs originate from SERBS
    By IncelSlayer in forum History
    Replies: 96
    Last Post: 07-13-2021, 01:09 AM
  2. Guess girls from Volga-Ural region
    By Ymyyakhtakh in forum Taxonomy
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 01-18-2020, 12:06 PM
  3. Replies: 49
    Last Post: 07-20-2018, 08:08 PM
  4. The proof Volga Bulgarians are Slavs and Bulgarian and are not Turks
    By poiuytrewq0987 in forum България
    Replies: 92
    Last Post: 02-06-2013, 11:00 PM
  5. Where did the Slavs originate?
    By Norbert in forum Race and Society
    Replies: 84
    Last Post: 02-07-2012, 08:59 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •