YourDNAPortal vs G25

[JamesBond007]

YourDNAPortal is better than G25 IMHO :

G25 :

Target: KevinG_scaled
Distance: 1.9624% / 0.01962356
42.8 England_IA (Welsh or Celtic Britons)
32.0 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian (Icelandic Viking)
25.2 SVK_Poprad_MA( Deutschendorf German from Slovakia?)

Third Oracle Run YourDNAportal :

Celtic_Briton : 40%

Germanic_Suebi : 30%

Anglo-Saxon : 10%

Gaul_Santones : 10%

Viking_Sweden_Malmo : 10%

^G25 is similar but YourDNAPortal is just better

G25 :

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.5054% / 0.02505408 | R4P
65.2 Scandanavian:Norwegian
16.6 Iberia:Spanish_Soria
16.0 West_and_Central_Europe: Dutch
2.2 Central_Asiaunjabi_Jatt

YourDNAportal :

Wales : 50%
Wales (Welsh: Cymru [ˈkəm.rɨ] KUM-ree) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom. It is bordered by England to the east, the Irish Sea to the north and west, and the Bristol Channel to the south.

Scotland
Scotland : 25%
Scotland (Scots: Scotland, Scottish Gaelic: Alba [ˈal̪ˠapə] ) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom. Covering the northern third of the island of Great Britain, mainland Scotland has a 96-mile (154 km) border with England to the southeast and is otherwise surrounded by the Atlantic Ocean to the north and west, the North Sea to the northeast and the Irish Sea to the south. The country also contains more than 790 islands, principally in the archipelagos of the Hebrides and the Northern Isles. Most of the population, including the capital Edinburgh, is concentrated in the Central Belt – the plain between the Scottish Highlands and the Southern Uplands – in the Scottish Lowlands.

Norway
Norway : 12.5%
Norway (Bokmål:Norge; Nynorsk:Noreg; Northern Sami: Norga; Lule Sami: Vuodna; Southern Sami: Nöörje), officially the Kingdom of Norway, is a Nordic country in Northern Europe whose mainland territory comprises the western and northernmost portion of the Scandinavian Peninsula. The remote Arctic island of Jan Mayen and the archipelago of Svalbard also form part of Norway. Bouvet Island, located in the Subantarctic, is a dependency of Norway; it also lays claims to the Antarctic territories of Peter I Island and Queen Maud Land.

Thuringia
Thuringia : 12.5%
Thuringia (English: /θəˈrɪndʒiə/; German: Thüringen [ˈtyːʁɪŋən] ), officially the Free State of Thuringia (Freistaat Thüringen [ˈfʁaɪʃtaːt ˈtyːʁɪŋən]), is a state of Germany. In central Germany, it covers 16,171 square kilometres (6,244 sq mi), being the sixth smallest of the sixteen German States (including City States).

G25 (not a perfect 50/50 split no time for that)

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.5841% / 0.02584149 | R2P
82.0 Scandanavian:Norwegian
18.0 Iberia:Spanish_Soria

YourDNAPortal :

Friesland : 50%
Friesland (/ˈfriːzlənd/ FREEZ-lənd, also US: /-lænd/ -⁠land, Dutch: [ˈfrislɑnt] ; official West Frisian: Fryslân, [frislɔ̃ːn] ), historically known as Frisia, is a province of the Netherlands located in the northern part of the country. It is situated west of Groningen, northwest of Drenthe and Overijssel, north of Flevoland, northeast of North Holland, and south of the Wadden Sea.

Wales
Wales : 50%
Wales (Welsh: Cymru [ˈkəm.rɨ] KUM-ree) is a country that is part of the United Kingdom. It is bordered by England to the east, the Irish Sea to the north and west, and the Bristol Channel to the south.

[JamesBond007]

I have been saying that G25 is mentally retarded Polack science for a while but nobody wanted to believe me :

Polack slavic(slave) negro science :

[Grace O'Malley]

All these ancient calculators give me similar results whether it is G25, MyTrueAncestry or yourDNAportal. They all give me significant Germanic and while I think I do have some input from Germanic groups I believe I'm overwhelmingly of Gaelic stock. The problem though is that these populations are similar and you most probably need something more refined than a calculator to tease these things apart. There is also the problem of not having enough Gaelic samples. There are only some from the Viking paper and the Icelandic study but not enough.

Using your samples for G25

England_IA,0.1317503,0.1307495,0.0601505,0.0480462,0.0350832,0.0201498,0.0048175,0.0036922,0.0042438,0.0041915,-0.0044248,0.0057322,-0.0105175,-0.018476,0.0180167,0.0100438,0.001206,-6.33e-05,0.0033312,0.003908,0.0038995,0.000247,-0.0012018,0.0114172,0.0004493
ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian,0.1281142,0.1294236,0.0681749,0.0618366,0.0366562,0.0195534,0.0069459,0.0088458,0.0002728,-0.0021463,-0.0048718,0.009608,-0.0101914,-0.0155362,0.0242939,0.0120656,0.0019703,0.0065033,0.002947,0.0051831,0.0056566,0.004053,0.0024102,0.0136563,0.0015302
SVK_Poprad_MA,0.124067,0.135065,0.059585,0.043282,0.041238,0.017291,-0.001175,0.002769,0.002659,-0.00328,-0.003248,0.007044,-0.012487,-0.006606,0.0057,0.020154,0.002217,0.000127,-0.000377,-0.00075,-0.00287,0.004081,0.000986,0.021328,0.000599

This is what I get

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.4165% / 0.02416451
63.6 England_IA
36.4 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02552519 England_IA
0.02809987 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.04084480 SVK_Poprad_MA

G25 using all Modern Averaged populations

Target: Gracie_scaled
Distance: 1.6904% / 0.01690364
53.6 Irish
38.0 Icelandic
6.6 Swedish
0.8 Welsh
0.6 Darginian
0.4 French_Pas-de-Calais


With DNA Portal on the main oracle run this is my result with Eurasia Ancient

Viking_Sigtuna : 36%
Gaul_Redones : 26.5%
Germanic_Suebi : 18.5%
Anglo-Saxon : 8.5%
Celtic_Briton : 8.5%
Tatar_Russia : 1.5%

With Modern Origins Main Oracle

Norway : 50.5%
Scotland : 24.5%
Ireland : 22.5%
Russia_Alania : 2%

Pangea Ancient

Viking_Dane : 33%
Celtic_Orkney : 28%
Anglo-Saxon : 22.5%
Hallstatt_Celt : 13.5%
North_Caucasus : 2.5%

Pangea Modern Origins Main Oracle

Ireland : 38%
England : 37%
North_Sea : 21%
Alania : 2%
Sweden : 2%

They all seem pretty consistent really. A bit Isles, some Scandinavian, some Continental Celt and some Caucasus. I would love if there was some test in the future that could do what 23&Me or Ancestry does but with deep ancestry. I think a lot of Europeans and other populations would be interested in that.

[J.S.]

There is also the problem of not having enough Gaelic samples.

As far as i am concerned, i would rather say "Gallic samples". Also, French modern panel is quite poor.

[Grace O'Malley]

As far as i am concerned, i would rather say "Gallic samples". Also, French modern panel is quite poor.

Yes Gallic would be for French but I'm meaning Gaelic i.e. Irish, Scots samples. Yes I hope we get more samples from France i.e. Gauls would be great.

[JamesBond007]

All these ancient calculators give me similar results whether it is G25, MyTrueAncestry or yourDNAportal. They all give me significant Germanic and while I think I do have some input from Germanic groups I believe I'm overwhelmingly of Gaelic stock. The problem though is that these populations are similar and you most probably need something more refined than a calculator to tease these things apart. There is also the problem of not having enough Gaelic samples. There are only some from the Viking paper and the Icelandic study but not enough.

Using your samples for G25

England_IA,0.1317503,0.1307495,0.0601505,0.0480462,0.0350832,0.0201498,0.0048175,0.0036922,0.0042438,0.0041915,-0.0044248,0.0057322,-0.0105175,-0.018476,0.0180167,0.0100438,0.001206,-6.33e-05,0.0033312,0.003908,0.0038995,0.000247,-0.0012018,0.0114172,0.0004493
ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian,0.1281142,0.1294236,0.0681749,0.0618366,0.0366562,0.0195534,0.0069459,0.0088458,0.0002728,-0.0021463,-0.0048718,0.009608,-0.0101914,-0.0155362,0.0242939,0.0120656,0.0019703,0.0065033,0.002947,0.0051831,0.0056566,0.004053,0.0024102,0.0136563,0.0015302
SVK_Poprad_MA,0.124067,0.135065,0.059585,0.043282,0.041238,0.017291,-0.001175,0.002769,0.002659,-0.00328,-0.003248,0.007044,-0.012487,-0.006606,0.0057,0.020154,0.002217,0.000127,-0.000377,-0.00075,-0.00287,0.004081,0.000986,0.021328,0.000599

This is what I get

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.4165% / 0.02416451
63.6 England_IA
36.4 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian

Distance to: Grace_scaled
0.02552519 England_IA
0.02809987 ISL_Viking_Age_Pre_Christian
0.04084480 SVK_Poprad_MA

G25 using all Modern Averaged populations

Target: Gracie_scaled
Distance: 1.6904% / 0.01690364
53.6 Irish
38.0 Icelandic
6.6 Swedish
0.8 Welsh
0.6 Darginian
0.4 French_Pas-de-Calais


With DNA Portal on the main oracle run this is my result with Eurasia Ancient

Viking_Sigtuna : 36%
Gaul_Redones : 26.5%
Germanic_Suebi : 18.5%
Anglo-Saxon : 8.5%
Celtic_Briton : 8.5%
Tatar_Russia : 1.5%

With Modern Origins Main Oracle

Norway : 50.5%
Scotland : 24.5%
Ireland : 22.5%
Russia_Alania : 2%

Pangea Ancient

Viking_Dane : 33%
Celtic_Orkney : 28%
Anglo-Saxon : 22.5%
Hallstatt_Celt : 13.5%
North_Caucasus : 2.5%

Pangea Modern Origins Main Oracle

Ireland : 38%
England : 37%
North_Sea : 21%
Alania : 2%
Sweden : 2%

They all seem pretty consistent really. A bit Isles, some Scandinavian, some Continental Celt and some Caucasus. I would love if there was some test in the future that could do what 23&Me or Ancestry does but with deep ancestry. I think a lot of Europeans and other populations would be interested in that.

Thanks for the reply. You might be mostly Gaelic but you can't go by paper trail. My grandfather said he was Irish from Donegal but looked WASPy in the Scottish sense . My grandmother identified as English but looked significantly Brittonic influenced ( can still be English) and my other grandfather swore he was Irish looked Welsh more than anything else.

I think people are too stuck on paper trails and preconceived notions. My other grandmother was from Alsace-Lorraine and Suebian thuringia make more sense than Slovakian German I.E POPRAD.

G25 does not do too bad on the ancients but is still too fine grained and for modern populations it is extremely too fine grained in my opinion.

G25 ancient gives me about 42% Brittonic but the modern splits me up into Norwegian, Spanish and Dutch with no Welsh , Cornish, or Breton in the breakdown which is just ridiculously inconsistent and stupid IMO.

[J.S.]

Yes Gallic would be for French but I'm meaning Gaelic i.e. Irish, Scots samples. Yes I hope we get more samples from France i.e. Gauls would be great.

To be fair, i can't complain to much about G25 and Eurogenes calculators in general; they are pretty accurate for me, but the lack of French reference samples, especially the Modern ones from Normandy and Western France, give some biased results with much further Northern components.
DNA Portal also, probably for the same reason, with Orkney, England and Ireland.

[Grace O'Malley]

Thanks for the reply. You might be mostly Gaelic but you can't go by paper trail. My grandfather said he was Irish from Donegal but looked WASPy in the Scottish sense . My grandmother identified as English but looked significantly Brittonic influenced ( can still be English) and other grandfather swore he was Irish looked Welsh more than anything else.

I think people too stuck paper trails and preconceived notions. My other grandmother was from Alsace-Lorraine and Suebian thuringia make more sense Slovakian German I.E POPRAD.

G25 does not do too bad on the ancients but is still too fine grained and for modern populations it is extremely too fine grained in my opinion.

G25 ancient gives me about 42% Brittonic but the modern splits me up into Norwegian, Spanish and Dutch with no Welsh , Cornish, or Breton in the breakdown which is just ridiculously inconsistent and stupid IMO.

Yes I agree you can't go by paper trail. I have some non-Irish names in my family tree i.e. Scots, English and Norman surnames. I do think all the Isles populations have input from each other and outside sources such as Normans, Vikings etc. English having the most but people have some odd idea that the Irish are pure unadulterated Celts. This does not tie in with history or genetics.

I think you have to look at population similarity i.e. if you get Scottish instead of Irish or Welsh and if you get Danish instead of Norwegian etc. Bretons also have similarity to Welsh/Cornish groups so on calculators you can get similar populations as a sort of proxy. It is interesting that you get the Propad sample and have German ancestry so that shows that it does work. I have no German at all so that makes sense only getting an Isles and Scandinavian result. We are learning all the time.

[JamesBond007]

Yes I agree you can't go by paper trail. I have some non-Irish names in my family tree i.e. Scots, English and Norman surnames. I do think all the Isles populations have input from each other and outside sources such as Normans, Vikings etc. English having the most but people have some odd idea that the Irish are pure unadulterated Celts. This does not tie in with history or genetics.

I think you have to look at population similarity i.e. if you get Scottish instead of Irish or Welsh and if you get Danish instead of Norwegian etc. Bretons also have similarity to Welsh/Cornish groups so on calculators you can get similar populations as a sort of proxy. It is interesting that you get the Propad sample and have German ancestry so that shows that it does work. I have no German at all so that makes sense only getting an Isles and Scandinavian result. We are learning all the time.

I dunno, I am kind of Amazed at YourDNAportals results compared to AncestryDNA in particular. I swear companies such as AncestryDNA and LivingDNA can skew the results based on clues such as your name. To be fair G25 did a decent job on my Iron age + medieval age modelling of my ancestry but YourDNAPortal was just better for me

Meanwhile ancestryDNA is saying I am 53% Irish instead of say Welsh and I think they are doing that based on my Irish name (precocncieved notion) and weasel stuff (cambro-normans in Ireland).

G25 and YourDNAPortal agree I am about 40% British P Celtic rather than Q Celtic Gaelic. I think I might delete my AncestryDNA account because of that.

[JamesBond007]

To be fair, i can't complain to much about G25 and Eurogenes calculators in general; they are pretty accurate for me, but the lack of French reference samples, especially the Modern ones from Normandy and Western France, give some biased results with much further Northern components.
DNA Portal also, probably for the same reason, with Orkney, England and Ireland.

K13 says I am Irish, K15 English and G25 Dutch --that is too much Polack mental retardedness for me to take.
Scottish, English and Dutch single results would not have been mentally retarded but still disappointing.