Would you agree that, in the contemporary USA, ethnolects are as or more important than dialects?

[Tooting Carmen]

The Latinos in LA aren't as diverse as the one here. In LA 8 out of 10 Hispanics is Mexican and the remaining are usually from Central America. In NYC 2.7 out of 10 are Dominican, 2.5 are Rican, 2 are Mexican, 1 is Colombian, 1 is Ecuadorian and the rest are from South American and Central America Afro-Hondurans and Afro-Panamanias making a big chunk). We have a lot of Peruvians, Guatemalans and Salvadorians. There is also a massive Brazilian community nut they are not considered Latino in the USA sense.

Well OK, but how many NYC Hispanics have a classical "Noo Yawk" accent, and how many LA Hispanics have a "Valley girl" accent?

[Tooting Carmen]

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[Daco Celtic]

I lived in Southern California for a long time and Latino "ethnolects" seem to be influenced as much by class as ethnicity. There was an accent for recent immigrants, another for 2nd and 3rd generation Latino Americans that grew up in blue collar areas, and a third "white sounding" accent for Latinos middle class and above.

[Tooting Carmen]

I lived in Southern California for a long time and Latino "ethnolects" seem to be influenced as much by class as ethnicity. There was an accent for recent immigrants, another for 2nd and 3rd generation Latino Americans that grew up in blue collar areas, and a third "white sounding" accent for Latinos middle class and above.

Could you post examples of all three?

[Daco Celtic]

Could you post examples of all three?

The parents in the this video are the first example and their son is the second. I won't bother with the third because it is a standard California accent, not distinctive.

[Tooting Carmen]

The parents in the this video are the first example and their son is the second. I won't bother with the third because it is a standard California accent, not distinctive.

LOL the parents barely speak English at all and even the sons still have a noticeable Spanish influence in their speech. Incredibly hard-working folk either way.

[Daco Celtic]

LOL the parents barely speak English at all and even the sons still have a noticeable Spanish influence in their speech. Incredibly hard-working folk either way.

Well, how do you expect the parents to talk? Here is an even better example of the second accent, which is by far the most interesting. The guy talking after the 11 sec mark.

[Tooting Carmen]

Well, how do you expect the parents to talk? Here is an even better example of the second accent, which is by far the most interesting. The guy talking after the 11 sec mark.

His accent sounds like, well, a Spanish-American mix.

[Daco Celtic]

His accent sounds like, well, a Spanish-American mix.

Yeah, that's basically what it is. The English is usually clear and easy to understand but with a notable accent.

[JamesBond007]

Well, how do you expect the parents to talk? Here is an even better example of the second accent, which is by far the most interesting. The guy talking after the 11 sec mark.

Typical American slobs who looked like they rolled out of a bed then picked up some clothes off the floor , in their dirty room, gave it the quick sniff/smell test then threw it on non-ironed looking like they are not grown adults.