Who is more Mongoloid on average: Hungarians or Estonians?

[Zanzibar]

Just curious here. Who has more East Eurasian ancestry on average? From what I know both groups have negligible amounts of East Eurasian admixture.

[Halvard]

I'd say Estonians since they have more ANE admixture.

[Alenka]

Estonians are more Mongoloid.

Eurogenes K13:
Estonian
Siberian: 3.51%
Amerindian: 1.35%
East Asian: 0.05%
Oceanian: 0.61%

Hungarian
Siberian: 1.11%
Amerindian: 0.97%
East Asian: 0.21%
Oceanian: 0.14%

[Zanzibar]

Estonians are more Mongoloid.

Eurogenes K13:
Estonian
Siberian: 3.51%
Amerindian: 1.35%
East Asian: 0.05%
Oceanian: 0.61%

Hungarian
Siberian: 1.11%
Amerindian: 0.97%
East Asian: 0.21%
Oceanian: 0.14%

Interesting. Could this be because Estonians mixed less with their neighbors than Hungarians thus preserving their Mongoloid ancestry better?

I wonder if Csango and Szekely would score more Mongoloid than the average Hungarian.

[Ion Basescul]

Interesting. Could this be because Estonians mixed less with their neighbors than Hungarians thus preserving their Mongoloid ancestry better?

I wonder if Csango and Szekely would score more Mongoloid than the average Hungarian.

Csangos can score solid amounts. They are the best preserved Hungarian group, judging by the East Asian-like ancestry. The irony is that most identify as Romanians of Catholic rite nowadays.

East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Total
0	2.96	0.42	3.38
1.40	3.06	1.43	5.89
1.52	1.14	1.49	4.15
1.44	3.26	0	4.70
0.98	2.84	0.20	4.02
0	1.77	0.35	2.12
0	1.60	1.41	3.01
0	0.91	0	0.91
4.67	0.40	2.40	7.47
3.02	3.06	0	6.08
2.93	1.70	0.99	5.62
0.14	2.89	0.79	3.82
1.71	3.99	1.59	7.29
1.39	2.63	0.88	4.90
0	3.35	0	3.35
0	3.31	0	3.31
0.45	1.88	1.81	4.14
0.49	2.66	1.34	4.49
1.80	3.81	1.32	6.93
1.51	3.17	0.16	4.84
0	3.09	0.00	3.09
1.08	2.53	0.59	4.20
1.12	2.22	0.87	4.21
0	3.02	1.67	4.69
1.53	3.10	0.56	5.19
1.80	2.02	0.81	4.63
1.37	2.78	2.38	6.53

[Zanzibar]

Csangos can score solid amounts. They are the best preserved Hungarian group, judging by the East Asian-like ancestry. The irony is that most identify as Romanians of Catholic rite nowadays.

East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Total
0	2.96	0.42	3.38
1.40	3.06	1.43	5.89
1.52	1.14	1.49	4.15
1.44	3.26	0	4.70
0.98	2.84	0.20	4.02
0	1.77	0.35	2.12
0	1.60	1.41	3.01
0	0.91	0	0.91
4.67	0.40	2.40	7.47
3.02	3.06	0	6.08
2.93	1.70	0.99	5.62
0.14	2.89	0.79	3.82
1.71	3.99	1.59	7.29
1.39	2.63	0.88	4.90
0	3.35	0	3.35
0	3.31	0	3.31
0.45	1.88	1.81	4.14
0.49	2.66	1.34	4.49
1.80	3.81	1.32	6.93
1.51	3.17	0.16	4.84
0	3.09	0.00	3.09
1.08	2.53	0.59	4.20
1.12	2.22	0.87	4.21
0	3.02	1.67	4.69
1.53	3.10	0.56	5.19
1.80	2.02	0.81	4.63
1.37	2.78	2.38	6.53

How about Szekely? Can a Csango score 10% East Asian or that's too high?

5-7% Mongoloid is pretty high for a Euro, that's close to Finnish-tier level of Mong.

[Kökény]

How about Szekely? Can a Csango score 10% East Asian or that's too high?

5-7% Mongoloid is pretty high for a Euro, that's Finnish-tier level of Mong.

My father scores higher than the Estonian average (he's between 5-6%). Székely and Csángó mong scores are quite close, although there are Csángó outliers who reach up to 7%.

I don't think they can reach 10% though. That's Balkan Turk level.

[Zanzibar]

My father scores higher than the Estonian average (he's between 5-6%). Székely and Csángó mong scores are quite close, although there are Csángó outliers who reach up to 7%.

I don't think they can reach 10% though. That's Balkan Turk level.

Hmm fascinating. How much do you score btw?

It would be interesting if there are also G25 Csango and Szekely samples to compare. From What I remember the highest East Asian I see for an Estonian sample from G25 is 5.6% (all the others were around 1-2%) maybe he/she has recent Finnish origin.

Do you think its direct ancestry from the Magyar conquerors or there were some later gene flows from Turkic invasions as well?

I see. Actually the several Finns who have around 10% I East Eurasian believe.

[Kökény]

Hmm fascinating. How much do you score btw?

Close to 5% (4.73%).

Do you think its direct ancestry from the Magyar conquerors or there were some later gene flows from Turkic invasions as well?

Could be both, I'm not sure. In the case of Székelys there are theories about Turkic origin rather than Magyar. Some people think it's BS. Personally, I don't entirely reject those theories.

[Lemminkäinen]

Interesting. Could this be because Estonians mixed less with their neighbors than Hungarians thus preserving their Mongoloid ancestry better?

I wonder if Csango and Szekely would score more Mongoloid than the average Hungarian.

Conversely, Estonians have same ancient Saami admixture than we see in Finland, due to the Finnish migration from the Late Iron Age. Early Iron Age Estonians had near zero Siberian.