Who is more Mongoloid on average: Hungarians or Estonians?

[Zanzibar]

First looks normal, second looks strange to me.

Really, he looks Northern Asian. How common is pure Siberian/Mongoloid look among Bashkirs, Maris, Chuvashes and other VURers?

Do you think the second one has recent non-Bashkir ancestry?

[Ayetooey]

Estonians OFC. Lots of N up there.

[travv]

Really, he looks Northern Asian. How common is pure Siberian/Mongoloid look among Bashkirs, Maris, Chuvashes and other VURers?

Do you think the second one has recent non-Bashkir ancestry?

All Chuvash girls I posted looked 100% Mongoloid. For example these 3 Chuvash girls easily pass in Japan as native.

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[Zanzibar]

All Chuvash girls I posted looked 100% Mongoloid. For example these 3 Chuvash girls easily pass in Japan as native.

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Not really. They look too Hapa. The first president of Bashkortostan in the thread I posted can pass in NE Asia though.

[Komintasavalta]

How common is pure Siberian/Mongoloid look among Bashkirs, Maris, Chuvashes and other VURers?

A Chuvash/VUR type look like this is common among Bashkirs (these are three different persons):

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But I think it's impossible for a Bashkir to look fully Mongoloid.

[Sandis]

Here are another admixture results for Estonia from Bronze Age to Middle Ages:
(full study here: https://www.cell.com/fulltext/S0960-9822(19)30424-5 )



EstBA – Estonian Bronze Age; EstIA – Estonian Iron Age; IngIA – Ingrian Iron Age; EstMA – Estonian Middle Ages; WHG – Western hunter-gatherers; Central MN – Central European Middle Neolithic. A. ChromoPainter/NNLS unlinked mode summarised results. B. qpAdm results

And this is from the same study for some members to understand that Y-DNA doesn't show all ancestral components (in the case of Estonians):

[Zanzibar]

A Chuvash/VUR type look like this is common among Bashkirs (these are three different persons):

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But I think it's impossible for a Bashkir to look fully Mongoloid.

Wow they look identical despite being three different persons. They all look Hapa lol but gives a different feeling than the ordinary White+Asian hapa mix.

The first president of Bashkortostan (first amca in the other thread) looks almost pure Mongoloid though but I think his phenotype is pretty atypical among Bashkirs? I wager if he takes a DNA test, he is going to score more Mongoloid than most Bashkirs- probably similar to a Kazakh and Kyrgyz who are 60-70% Mongoloid. The upper Mong range for Kyrgyz seems to be 75-76% Mongoloid while for Kazakhs seems to be 70% Mongoloid (although I have seen ethnic Kazakhs from Xinjiang on G25 who score as much as 78-80% Mong but they probably have higher Mongolian ancestry than most).

[Sandis]

That could be it. Is the European ancestry of Finnics and other Uralics mostly Baltic-related rather than Slavic or Germanic-like?

From recent times also Slavic, from earlier times i think mostly Baltic-related.

From what I have read, Maris could have Central Asian Turkic admixture as well so the Uzbek in one of the models represented that. The Iranic represented by Tajik_Rushan could indeed come from ancient Iranian tribes roaming in the area close to Volga-Ural or it could also represent Turkic affinity as many Turkic tribes were like a mix between Southern Siberian Mongoloids and Iranian tribes.

Their affinity with Iranian and Turkic tribes is well documented. There is also linguistic evidence.

Interesting. When I use the other Latvian samples (Latvian_Dobele, Latvian) or other Baltic populations like Lithuanian, Estonian, I cannot get as good fits with the Mari as with Latvian_Cesis.

Latvians from Cesis looks like outliers also racially compared to a neighbour regions. It is shown in the following map. I also observed that they have more rounder traits.
Here Cesis is a mix of "Eastern Finnic" (number 2) and Western Baltic (number 1)

[Sandis]

Here's a 2 Estonian morphs. The left has strong Uralic traits, the right has low (n=6 for both)

[Zoro]

The p-values are shown in parentheses after the population names.

I tried adding French to outgroups because it's significantly closer to Polish than Yamnaya is, which helped reduce the Nganasan ancestry in Poles.

After that I had too high Yamnaya ancestry, so I added Kazakhstan_Mereke_MBA as an outgroup, even though it probably violates this rule: "1) It is important to realize that the answers are invalid if there has been post admixture gene-flow between left and right populations." (https://github.com/DReichLab/AdmixTo.../README.QpWave)

I tried adding Turkey_Epipaleolithic as an outgroup to reduce Turkey_N ancestry, but the percentage of Turkey_N is still 41% in Finns.

The p-values are now really low, but it might be because of a large number of outgroups: "3) We recommend keeping popright small. If large the covariance matrix of f4-statististics is likely to be poorly estimated. I then don't trust the computed p-values although the admixture weights seem to usually be reasonable." (ibid.)

Most of your p-values are indicating that your models are fails. In scenario 3 you have passing p-values but if I had to guess your standard errors are very high again rendering your models useless. Reason being is your set of outgroups is not able to properly differentiate your sources.

This explains why some of your models don’t make sense. Try using the same outgroups as Lazaridis or EurasianDNA and you’ll have better luck with qpAdm